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DecksEtc · 01-18-2005, 12:38 PM

I have a feeling he works at Behr LOL!!! Or maybe he's the president!!!!

You're right ProWall, tinkin's statement was hilariously funny.

Now, I can't say that Behr is the worst paint I have ever used, there is no way I can say that is the "best". Oh never mind, I'm ROTFLMAO!!!

JustaFramer · 01-23-2005, 06:27 PM

Behr was sued by washington consumers their exterior stain didn't stop mold and mildew. The mold occured on wood that was treated with behr after five years or less.

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premierpainting · 01-24-2005, 04:57 PM

the chemist[/quote]
Are you the guy that called me and ten other companies from the phone book asking for a "FREE" quote??

01-24-2005, 10:00 PM

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Dale · 01-24-2005, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cdac

I had 2 experiences with behr deck stain (solid and semisolid) both were a disaster. I normally use Cabot and get awsome results with 2 coats outside on PT SYP, not with behr.
I did a deck last summer (about $22,000 job) low to the ground, Painted PT newel posts, rises and rim. pressure washed off all the green crap compliments of ACQ. By the time I got around to applying paint, the parts were very dry. I must have applyled 4 coats and green kept bleeding through. Powerwashed it off, let dry and applied kilz and still more of the same. I forgot to mention that the homeowner insisted on using it over Cabot which I recommended. So I told homeowner what was going on and gave him 2 options: Strip it all down for the second time, apply cabot, and charge him triple for the painting portion of the project, or do nothing at all. He opted for the latter. Since that time large sections of the paint bubbled up and peeled off, found out he ended up paying a painter twice what I proposed , to strip it all down and apply cabot, homeowner was very cool about this with me and admitted his lack of judgement over mine.
Other bad experience was identicle to first, only this time I was insisted upon by homeowner to use behr semisolid stain which they bought on their own, it went on like ********************, and it looked like ********************, again, I had no problems with them over redoing it, since had it redone by painter.
EVERYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF HOME DEPOT IS ********************.
Cabot is by far a superior exterior paint, sherwin williams cuprinol is not that good either.

Was it a 2 tone? Did you use a primer?

DecksEtc · 01-25-2005, 08:59 AM

Chris,

Premier wasn't referring to you when he said "Are you the guy that called me and ten other companies from the phone book asking for a "FREE" quote??" He was referring to the guy who signed a post as "the chemist" back on the first page.

Dale,

The consensus of opinion with the experts here is that Behr paint is crap. It might be the top of the crap pile but it's still crap nonetheless. What difference does it make if Chris used 2 tone or not? As to your question about primer, he said he tried kilz the second time around. Obviously 4 coats at the start should be enough, if it's a good stain that is.

Do you work for Behr? Or, Home Depot?

01-25-2005, 10:38 AM

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Dale · 01-25-2005, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DecksEtc

Chris,

Premier wasn't referring to you when he said "Are you the guy that called me and ten other companies from the phone book asking for a "FREE" quote??" He was referring to the guy who signed a post as "the chemist" back on the first page.

Dale,

The consensus of opinion with the experts here is that Behr paint is crap. It might be the top of the crap pile but it's still crap nonetheless. What difference does it make if Chris used 2 tone or not? As to your question about primer, he said he tried kilz the second time around. Obviously 4 coats at the start should be enough, if it's a good stain that is.

Do you work for Behr? Or, Home Depot?

Just asking.

The point about the 2 tone was because I was unclear if the deck was semi-trans on the deck and PAINT on the rails etc.
Its my experience that on a new deck you ALWAYS use a good primer like BM's Problem Solver over new wood especially exterior new wood otherwise you're asking for problems.
Primer doesn't do its job as well the "second time around"...it should be applied to the wood and not the previous coating. IMO

01-25-2005, 11:10 AM

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CGofMP · 02-17-2005, 10:22 PM

Second post to this forum in as many days. NEWBIE ALERT!

We moved in to a fixer upper 11 mos ago and have really busted tail to try to get it to look like a home and not a rental (which it used to be).

Long story short we have already painted the interior. Most of it we did with Behr and I can tell you that if you are ever in the mood to make the wife mad, just tell her that the second coat (over primer) in the bathroom just does not look even. We are not pros but we are also not totally moronic in the application. We had similar results in the kitchen and other rooms as well

The Behr just did not do it for us.

The best paintjob was done with KILZ from WalMart. We did not have time to go to Home Depot that night so our daughters 3 tone room got what was at Walmart. I wonder if this is the same Kilz you are speaking of. 10 times better and we did one coat with better results than 2+ of Behr.

Now, this spring, after things dry out we want to paint the exterior. Do any of you have any idea on selection of GOOD exterior paint and primer available in Norther california? Because of a gutter job I did, we will still have to use Behr for the white trim, but for the stucco sides and wood in front I am more than willing to go to another brand. What would you opine is GOOD and ECCONOMICAL for a good exterior paint job. We will be doing 3 coats. 1 primer (over an ugly grey and another equally dingy tan) and 2 coverage/top coats.

Thanks!
Charles

Dale · 02-17-2005, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CGofMP

Second post to this forum in as many days. NEWBIE ALERT!

We moved in to a fixer upper 11 mos ago and have really busted tail to try to get it to look like a home and not a rental (which it used to be).

Long story short we have already painted the interior. Most of it we did with Behr and I can tell you that if you are ever in the mood to make the wife mad, just tell her that the second coat (over primer) in the bathroom just does not look even. We are not pros but we are also not totally moronic in the application. We had similar results in the kitchen and other rooms as well

The Behr just did not do it for us.

The best paintjob was done with KILZ from WalMart. We did not have time to go to Home Depot that night so our daughters 3 tone room got what was at Walmart. I wonder if this is the same Kilz you are speaking of. 10 times better and we did one coat with better results than 2+ of Behr.

Now, this spring, after things dry out we want to paint the exterior. Do any of you have any idea on selection of GOOD exterior paint and primer available in Norther california? Because of a gutter job I did, we will still have to use Behr for the white trim, but for the stucco sides and wood in front I am more than willing to go to another brand. What would you opine is GOOD and ECCONOMICAL for a good exterior paint job. We will be doing 3 coats. 1 primer (over an ugly grey and another equally dingy tan) and 2 coverage/top coats.

Thanks!
Charles

Hi Charles. What kind of siding? Is there any peeling of the existing coats? What part of the country are you in? Whats the environment around the house like?

CGofMP · 02-17-2005, 10:54 PM

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Hi Charles. What kind of siding? Is there any peeling of the existing coats? What part of the country are you in? Whats the environment around the house like?

Greetings!

The siding appears to be that plywood which has the lines routered in it to make it look like individual boards. It has a roughish surface. Certainly not my choice, but its "okay". The trim is non descript but it is not redwood I am sure. It too is roughish. Same with the boards (facia?) where the gutters are mounted and that face the front of the roof going up to a peak.

Most of the paint is pretty intact. The boards that you would mount gutters on are all in need of TLC and I did that with a 7 in 1 tool, a little sanding and some wood putty when I painted them before putting up the gutters in the back. I will have to do this the rest of the way around the house. That paint is solid in most places but has some areas that the wood is showing through slightly. I would not really describe it as 'peeling'.

The siding (plywood that I described above) is in better shape.

The rest is stucco.

The house is in North-Central California. Environment ranges from freezing and wet in the winter to well into the 100s in the summer.

Freezing is not frequent but it happens. theres a lot of fog and overcast in winter so far. The summers are consistently HOT with little or no precip.

The north side of the house is pretty much perpetual shadow except at high noon in summer.

I hope I have answered the questions you intended me to.

Charles

02-18-2005, 09:00 AM

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donb1959 · 02-18-2005, 12:55 PM

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I highly agree. My opinion is that Behr is junque. Only reason it gets press is because of the Home Depot/Lowes marketing machine.

Yup...Behr is crap....However one of the best paints I have ever used is American Tradition (Valspar product) that Lowes markets. Anyone used this or any of the Valspar products?

MasterStrokes · 02-26-2005, 09:26 PM

I'll never use Behr again. It blows.

**Teetorbilt** · 02-26-2005, 09:46 PM

I painted MY house with American Traditions following a report by the Consumers Union. It was #1. Next test Behr was #1 and AT was #4. The last report, I think that they rated Behr as unacceptable. WTF?
I understand that the ratings can change as test panels spend more time in the fields. I'm just curious as to how much.

Artistic77 · 11-03-2009, 10:33 PM

I don't know what problems you are talking about. I've been using Behr Paint for 15 years. I spend about $100k each year just on the purchasing of the paint for my jobs. I mainly use Behr Premium plus interior & exterior Paints on most of my jobs. Hundreds of paint jobs a year. Not one time did I ever have a single issue with coverage, workability, color match, durability or fading. In fact, I've done touch ups on jobs that I painted as far back as 10 years ago and the paint has blended in perfectly. Other Brands suck. The rare occasions that I have been spec'd to use Valspar's American Traditions, any Sherwin-Williams product, or Benjamin Moore paints, I've had nothing but problems with fading, durablity & coverage. When I hire new painters whom have been used to "contractor grade" paint brands like Sherwin-Williams, it takes about a week to win them over to Behr. Now that Behr has their new Ultra Premium Plus line, self priming and nano guard, I've gone to heaven. I can lightly sand kitchen cabinets and get better adhesion and coverage than if I used Kilz first. Unbelievablely great product. It's worth the extra $10.00. When I talk to most contractors about paint, the main reason they wont use Behr Paint is snobbery!! It's beneath them. They dont want to buy paint at Home depot! Guess what? Home Depot carries the top brands on the market: Pella Windows, Hilti Power Tools, LG appliances & Behr Paint! Do the research!

Artistic77 · 11-03-2009, 10:35 PM

I don't know what problems you are talking about. I've been using Behr Paint for 15 years. I spend about $100k each year just on the purchasing of the paint for my jobs. I mainly use Behr Premium plus interior & exterior Paints on most of my jobs. Hundreds of paint jobs a year. Not one time did I ever have a single issue with coverage, workability, color match, durability or fading. In fact, I've done touch ups on jobs that I painted as far back as 10 years ago and the paint has blended in perfectly. Other Brands suck. The rare occasions that I have been spec'd to use Valspar's American Traditions, any Sherwin-Williams product, or Benjamin Moore paints, I've had nothing but problems with fading, durablity & coverage. When I hire new painters whom have been used to "contractor grade" paint brands like Sherwin-Williams, it takes about a week to win them over to Behr. Now that Behr has their new Ultra Premium Plus line, self priming and nano guard, I've gone to heaven. I can lightly sand kitchen cabinets and get better adhesion and coverage than if I used Kilz first. Unbelievablely great product. It's worth the extra $10.00. When I talk to most contractors about paint, the main reason they wont use Behr Paint is snobbery!! It's beneath them. They dont want to buy paint at Home depot! Guess what? Home Depot carries the top brands on the market: Pella Windows, Hilti Power Tools, LG appliances & Behr Paint! Do the research!

JumboJack · 11-03-2009, 10:40 PM

What is it with all the 3,4 and 5 year old posts popping up?????