LJSMITH1

I think you should call them and ask why they don't use industry testing standards. I read the mag all the time, and I don't recall them identifying the exact test standards they used - except for generic descriptions like "abrasion test" or "accelerated weathering test", etc.) . So, maybe you have some additional info I don't....or maybe you just heard that somewhere. Either way, it would be good to know if they are just BS'ing with crazy tests that have no bearing on 'real-life' applications.

FYI...Last year, I was visiting ETL (Electrical Testing Labs) in Cortland, NY. Walking through the place, In one area I saw that they were testing hundreds of batteries (AAA, AA, C, D, etc.). I saw the extensive setup, and briefly talked to the guy doing the testing. They were using industry standard evaluation criteria. When I asked who the tests were for (because I noticed many brands of batteries), he wouldn't say. I later found out it was for a future Consumer Reports issue. So it seems that CR does outsource some of its testing that they don't have resources internally to handle.

(p.s. I don't work for CR either...just a subscriber..)

LJSMITH1

I don't work for any paint manufacturer or big box chain...It's possible that some people will join Contractor Talk to read all the forums and see what's up...

J F

if no one's suggested you might want to search here: http://www.painttalk.com/

whatever you do, don't sign in and ask, they've been having some fits/fights about non-painters/new painters/hack painters joining the site, and you would probably get crucified

tkle

CR takes into account the bang for buck as directed towards the homeowner. Homeowners pay nearly twice as much for premium paints as I do. I can get premium paint for a few cents more than Behr. For my price, Behr sucks.

LJSMITH1

Yes they do take prices into account when they recommend a product. However, they test all brands the same, and you can see which product performs better than others in a certain area. The pricing has no affect on which product is rated better due to performance. If the tests are consistent, then they should be fair.

I don't know what the issue is with CR and some of you guys...It's an independent test/evaluation publication and they take no product advertising. How can that be bad?

tkle

I grew up reading CR and don't make a major purchase without consulting them.
I'm not a professional painter. I'm a contractor. I hire painters and then get in their way. I can easily tell the difference with the look and feel of a paint and when it goes on the wall, how it covers and cuts. Experience tells me Behr is crap. I'm still puzzled by the CR report, though it's not the first time I've found them to be wrong.

LJSMITH1

Maybe CR should be a bit more descriptive in the type of tests they do and how those tests are administered as compared to industry standards. I would find value in that.

I just bought a Panasonic 58" plasma TV that CR rated very high. A few, professional A/V friends of mine started ripping me and saying that Panasonic was "crap" and I should have gone with Sony or Samsung... I said, "riiiggght", I am going to believe a few 'hacks' over a fair and thorough technical evaluation by an independent testing lab.....

angus242

As my SW rep says: "It's behr-ly paint"
Who am I to argue with the knowledgeable SW rep????

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LJSMITH1

haha..I bet the Benjamin Moore people say even nicer things about SW!

angus242

Well my SW rep also says "Benjamin -costs- Moore"

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tkle

That's why I've always Dunn Edwards.

Kuba

wow.. gone for weeks and this thread is still alive...

Whom ever likes Behr should know that price isnt everything..

Hell, make your own paint like Behr

1 part dirt from your back yard (filler/Binder)
2 parts diaper fodder aka gooie poo poo (Pigment)
3 parts water (Solvents)
= Behr Interior Latex

Someone kill this thread and start talking about illegals plz..

tkle

I hired an illegal to paint my house. When he showed up with a can of Behr, I called immigration.

J F

what, they buy the behr from you?

Winchester

Right.

Their issue is not with CR, it's with Behr.

They also didn't claim to know what kind of tests CR used, they said others have actually used the industry standard tests and had completely different results.

Now, I'm sure an "Engineer" like yourself has some education in Discrete Mathematics topics, the first one usually being LOGIC. So I'm sure you'll have no trouble following this:

If using the industry standard tests yields completely different results than CR, is it not logical to assume that CR did not use the industry standards?

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Winchester

Black & Decker is an old company too (1917). What's your point?

If older is better, then you would prefer this:


over this?



B&D is an older company and it does have a laser. Let's ask some professionals maybe? Or do some tests?

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DRC

Oooh That's a pretty saw.

Winchester

which one?

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