Steve Richards

That was pretty good, Duckwarrior.

But you didn't answer the original question...why does Behr suck?

Because I've used it before (more than once), and it does.

CTDiesel

In the early days of my business I used a lot of HD/Lowe's stuff because I had yet to learn. However I have been back in those same customer's houses for other jobs and never once have I had them complain. Since then I have spent a fair amount of time researching and I no longer use any paint from Lowe's or HD for reasons already stated. I do still shop in both stores, but it's for multiple other products and when I'm buying any paint it's something like BIN or some 123 primer, or Gripper which the local HD's just began to carry around here finally.

perfect

IT ALL HAS TO DO WITH THE MAKE-UP OF THE PAINT PIGMENT WHICH IS THE BODY OF THE PAINT . BINDERS AND SUSPENDERS FOR ADHESION BERHS IS LOW END PAINT LIKE PARA AND OTHER CRAP S.W IS ABOUT THE BEST I HAVE FOUND

world llc

sw makes alot of crap paint... that's why their name is not on it! the same deal, kinda, with wagner taking over titan... titan is a premium pump, atleast the ones at a real paint store not the HD ones... although wagner makes them, that doesn't make wagner a good pump!! also like audi/volkswagon/porshe... they are made in the same factory, but you can't expect the VW to compare to the audi or even close to the porshe! they share some parts, but they part ways after that... the paints too share some components, but the formulation is different.....

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LJSMITH1

I love it when people knock Consumer Reports. Especially when they perform valid tests on products. It only highlights ignorance. Has anyone called CR to find out what type of tests they performed on the paints, and if they were tested in accordance with industry standards? I am 99% certain they just didn't dream up their own tests to help the 'crappy' products rate at the top of their ranking system. I am also an engineer, and I do think that CR has valid evaluations that can aid in the purchase of quality products.

Sherwin-Williams, Dutch Boy, Valspar, and Benjamin Moore all make various grades of paints, some of them are better than others. Does that mean if Behr scores higher than a SW, the evaluation is flawed? No. How many painters prefer one type of brush over another? Is there only one type/brand of roller that can be used? no... Maybe, Behr paints require a different application technique or applicator? I don't know. I am sure that there are professional painters that will spray anything versus rolling or brushing...

I have used Behr in my own home. I happen to think it applies well and has performance comparative to BM paints that I have also used. I am not a professional painter, so I guess that makes me completely unqualified to chime in...that's why I would rather listen to repeatable industry test results, over someone who has a bias or preference towards one brand. The paint may apply great, but once your kid uses that wall as his canvas, you might as well repaint because the crayon won't come off..

FYI, Behr is a old company - its been around since 1947 and is now owned by Masco Corp. Just because HD is the exclusive retailer of this paint, does not mean its crap. I was told by some cabinet professionals that MinWax is 'crap'...just because its now sold in HD. Minwax has been sold in just about every independent lumberyard and hardware store for decades..and there are many, expert cabinet makers that swear by it.

Just because a product is in HD or Lowes does not necessarily mean its garbage.

(no...I don't work for Behr, HD, Lowes, Wal-Mart or any of the other companies discussed in this thread..)

mmike032

chris n

I have used Behr in my own home. I happen to think it applies well and has performance comparative to BM paints that I have also used. I am not a professional painter, so I guess that makes me completely unqualified to chime in...

Wellll, you said it not me!

LJSMITH1

That's right, I did. However, my own personal experience counts

chob

LJSMITH1-

In response to your information and the fact you are an engineer you would appreciate that consumer reports does NOT use the industry standard testing methods from the ASTM. You should look into MPI which is widely becoming the general specification drivers on most painting projects today as they too stated that consumer reports was in fact misleading and they used the correct testing procedures (industry standards) and they had different results. I am not saying they dont use tests but they dont use what is widely accepted as the industry standard.

Steve Richards

To me..using Behr paint on a job is kinda like turning your keyboard upside down.

Could I still type?...yes
Would it be slower?..yes
Would it suck?..definitely
Would it make me wanna hurry up and turn my keyboard back around?..yup

But to someone that's never typed before...they might think it's workin' pretty good!

perfect

A+ Texture

It sounds like someone works for Behr, HD, Lowes, Or Wal Mart. Maybe not. Some people will join an online forum just to defend some random paint for no particular reason at all.

Crock

I painted my wife's camaro two years ago with behr interior eggshell. I used a brush and collosus roller. It still looks great but has lost alittle sheen on the hood.

Metro M & L

That is the dumbest post I've ever read. When you roll out a car you always always always use a white dove. d$#b a$$. jeeesh.

chris n

That is the dumbest post I've ever read. When you roll out a car you always always always use a white dove. d$#b a$$. jeeesh.

Well, I use a wagner power rollerand feather it out with a foam roller; beats both you guys, hands down

world llc

when painting a car you must remember to wet sand the spackle and cut your interior egshell 1:1 in order to eliminate brush marks with your 1" purdy brush.

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BMAN

Two weeks ago, a customer picked a color that was a deep red and needed a Ultra deep base for their homes living, dining and bedroom. I needed 8 gallons and SW didhnt have enough. The local BM dealer couldnt get any either so with deadline approaching the custmer says, use behr, its highly rated. I told him he won't be happy but he said go for it. So four coats later (by the way it was already a dark red underneath) every cut line still showing and the walls are still tacky (two weeks later) I will say again, neber again. Good paint looks deep and rich and has a nice even texture to it when it dries, Behr does not. It shows every application stroke there is even if we re-dragged all our rolls in the same direction. Consumer reports uses DIY criteria that doesnt mean anything to a pro. I dont G.A.F. about one coat coverage cuz I dont sell one coat to my customers. I want a paint that flows off the brush for razor sharp lines without tape, and levels enough before it sets up to eliminate applicator texture. Behr does not level, it sags, even off a roller! Give me the lowest BM or SW before I use behr again. The same for lowes Valspar interior too. I actually like Valspar Duramax for old house exterior. I hope this helps you explain it to your friend.

chris n

coverage cuz I dont sell one coat to my customers. I want a paint that flows off the brush for razor sharp lines without tape, and levels enough before it sets up to eliminate applicator texture. Behr does not level, it sags, even off a roller!

There you go

ModernStyle

Consumer Reports are not painters. They are not trying to make some money by applying paint, they dont have warranty issues when the paint fails. F^*k Consumer reports.
Everyone thinks they can paint and that they are fast at it, but guess what if you are not a professional painter with years of experience then you suck at painting. You can set there and say "well I painted my bedroom and it looks great", but guess what "great" dont cut it, I have to make everything perfect. I have to be perfect with my end results, I have to be fast enough so that I can make money, and I have to have good products that do not fail.
Behr paint is sh!t, if you want to paint your home with sh!t then feel free, I on the other hand want to be in business 5 years from now and not have gone broke from all of the warranty work I had to preform instead of working on new jobs, so I will stick to quality paint. My customer want the best and they are hiring me to make sure that they get it, Behr paint never has been and never will be used on my jobs.
On the other hand I want all the DIY crowd to go ahead and buy it, then call me in a few years when it fails, I will be glad to come fix it.

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bwalley

Home Depot sells Simonton windows as an installed product, the windows they sell are made to a lower standard so they can make more money.

They also sell Kraftmaid cabinets, they are also made to a lower standard than the ones I sell.

Home Depot also sell Delta, Moen and other shower and tub sets, they are not the same ones that you get at a plumbing supply house, they come with plastic tub spouts and don't have internal shutoffs in them.

Many products Home Depot sells are made to a lower quality standard, so they can keep the price down.

When the big box stores sell a lot of material they will often times have it made to a lower quality standard because they can make more money off of it and the average homeowner wouldn't know the difference.