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Old 12-20-2009, 03:42 PM   #41
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Since I do a lot of repair and handyman work, I'm typically painting with whatever the homeowner has in their garage. Personally I think Behr is alright. I really don't mind it being thin as I usually count on two-coating any paint job. It's a two-coat paint, but I've yet to see a paint be a one-coat (unless you use a tinted primer, which is still two coats imo).

Now mind you, I'm no master painter. I can cut in very well, and I've probably painted over 300 hours of my life away in some form or another, but 9/10 times the homeowner wants to save money by painting themselves after we're done with the main remodel. Therfore I've never gotten to be too discerning about my brand choice.

I recently used SW "Pro Classic" trim and door paint, and I found myself chasing down runs. I didn't have these problems with the Cashmere however. Either way, it turns out I was using the wrong technique for that paint, and had to apply less paint and brush it out more. For this reason, I actually did not prefer SW to Behr because I still had to apply two coats, I was chasing down runs that formed 20 minutes after the paint had been applied and I had to work my paint out more.

I actually would love to hear a response from a painter on tips for these kinds of paint, and why that happens. I'm assuming because pro classic is supposed to remove brush marks by being self leveling, it has a slower drying time to allow it's high viscosity time to level itself out.
Pro Classic is a tricky paint to get used to. Cashmere is my favorite semi gloss. I either re-prime or coat with flat first and 1 coat Cashmere white is perfect. The exact opposite IMO of Pro Classic is the new Glidden at Depot it dries fast and drags like glue 30 seconds later so there is not time for runs. The Glidden does cover well and that's a plus.

The more you paint you will realize how bad Behr is. The only decent paint in the Depot is Glidden & Zinsser primers. There was a post on another forum on how a red Behr paint & primer in one took 5 coats to equal the coverage of what another paint almost did in 1 coat.

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Old 12-20-2009, 08:24 PM   #42
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But who determines what better coverage is? Someone who uses 100's of gallons per year or some lab coat geek who has used 5 gallons....ever?
If the majority of professional painters tell me SW is better than Behr, who do you think I'm gonna believe?
So your saying they lied
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I have never put too much faith in consumer reports. I've seen too many products listed well that from my experiences and every one I know has had poor experiences with.
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Behr has always been a big, stinky, #2 in my book
When has Behr ever been #1 or #2? A serious painting contractor would never use this paint.
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Well said... who the $#@! (in terms of any serious contractor) buys paint based on Consumer Reports opinion anyways?
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Pro Classic is a tricky paint to get used to. Cashmere is my favorite semi gloss. I either re-prime or coat with flat first and 1 coat Cashmere white is perfect. The exact opposite IMO of Pro Classic is the new Glidden at Depot it dries fast and drags like glue 30 seconds later so there is not time for runs. The Glidden does cover well and that's a plus.

The more you paint you will realize how bad Behr is. The only decent paint in the Depot is Glidden & Zinsser primers. There was a post on another forum on how a red Behr paint & primer in one took 5 coats to equal the coverage of what another paint almost did in 1 coat.
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Some of these posts are amusing taking into consideration that under the Masco umbrella Behr has been formulating kilz for sometime now. Kilz paint is basically a scaled down version of PP. etc. etc. More than a few of the chemists responsible for Behr as you see it today came from BM.

So you think that means they are the same paint? You obviously have not tried Behr and BM paints
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Well said... who the $#@! (in terms of any serious contractor) buys paint based on Consumer Reports opinion anyways?

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I hate when people try to insist on Behr Paint becuase they think it's better and oh yea its cheaper. Really? If you break it down its peanuts compared to buying a premium brand like Benjamin moore or Sw. Gotta love marketing
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I am sorry to say that the main problem with Behr Paint these days all started when Masco Corporation bought this family owned firm in the late 90's.Behrs primary focus then was Quality ingredients for a superior product, now , they seem to be more concerned with how their paint cans look on the shelf rather than what is actually inside. I guess this is the end result of being driven more by marketing image than substance. As for me, its back to Dunn Edwards.
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used plenty of BM, contractor as well as aura lines as well as glidden and behr and kelly moore and others. i'd say that bm and kelly moore are definitely better, but $60/gallon for the aura line of BM paint because it's zero voc and supposedly covers in one coat is crazy.
never found a paint that covers in one coat. if it's my house i use glidden because, when properly applied to a good substrate it will last just fine and is a lot less.
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One coat of anthing is never enough for a 1st class job. Behr is a marketing hype by HD. If you have to buy there, Glidden is very good. The Valspar ext. is OK, but does not cover in 1 coat, the interior newer "green"formulation is terrible. These zellots on this eco religion crap are ruining just about anything we use. Wasting resources using 2 times the product and extra labor has no consideration to them. It is also 116 oz. not 128 oz /can. This "clean air paint "runs and foams easily, poor coverage and takes a week to dry, still not really hard after 2 weeks, and took 1 can[116 oz] to do a 10'x10' room w. a large window and 1 wall a closet! .Barely covered in 2 coats, and you can not back roller or it will lift. Hate the properties. It was eggshell, but came out more like satin/semi g. The paint is very thin, a joke as the can says "thick formula". Hate to see the "green" thin formula. . I will never use it again. Nothing like the exterior paint formula or the older white label Am. tradition.
Oh yea, Behr is even worse, did a job where HO insisted on it , took 3 coats to cover walls. Never again on Behr too.

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For this reason I actually do not prefer SW to Behr because I still had to apply two coats, I was chasing down runs that formed 20 minutes after the paint had been applied and I had to work my paint out more.
If it was 20 minutes later it was probably sagging and not running. There's a few variables there. Either put on too thick trying to avoid brush marks or do it in one coat, or the first coat was not dry enough yet, or the surface was too shiny and the paint was sliding off. How was the humidity?

I have used Behr a few times. There was one time where the homeowners bought it off the bad tint rack and it was Ultra Premium. It laid down really well, but the other two times it was not good. If the homeowner insists I will deal with it because I hate to turn down the work. Those one coat, primer mixed in commercials piss me off and make me wish Behr ill I must say. I have used Pittsburgh once and was tremendously disappointed with it. The open time was about 4 seconds, it flashed horribly and covered like hell.

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I was at a Glidden Store and asked about why their paint was sold at HD and why it costs less. The answer the manager gave me was that HD wanted a professional paint sold there as a option. He also said the reason the same paint there is cheaper than at the actual store is because they actually add more water to the paints in order to sell it cheaper. Makes sense as HD is in this trade to make a buck.

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Even if a box store carries a name brand paint, do not buy it there because it is the same product only in name...
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I think walmart paint is better than behr or valspar,and that's not saying much.
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This thread is funny! Behr? Wally paint? wow... I won't even bother with punctuation on this one.
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you can get better paint for less money at a paint store, and speak with people who actually deal with professionals all day long and actually KNOW their product lines... when dealing with a paint store. Why anyone would go to Home Depot and talk to the 20 year old kid behind the counter about painting is beyond me.
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Why anyone would go to Home Depot and talk to the 20 year old kid behind the counter about painting is beyond me.
I have a 20 year old son, and he knows everything.

..but he doesn't think I know anything (because I'm old).
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The first thing out of their mouths is Behr. The "kids" will never recommend Glidden. Kilz is now also owned by behr/HD. The Glidden there might have more water in it, the MSDS might be a way to tell. I usually add some with Floetrol anyway.
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