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06-06-2009, 04:04 PM
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Matt
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Custom Painting
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Location: Greater Philadelphia, PA
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Anybody else considered working for somebody else with your entire crew???
I can't help but think about kind of "renting" my services to somebody who has more going on than I have these days. By that I mean working for another painter based on a fixed hourly rate by using my own work van(s), equipment, crew etc. After tomorrow, when I finish the last project that I have I'll have nothing at all and nothing in the pipeline either. And I don't want to have to advise my people to take care of themselves elsewhere. They deserve more than that. And of course I need money as much as the next person. that goes without saying.
A friend of mine started working for another (bigger) painter just like the way I just described above. They mostly do commercial. He's happy just for having a job to go for himself and his crew every morning and is still actively looking for custom paint jobs which is his specialty (and so is ours). However the situation doesn't look that great at all. It's either there is no work or somebody else is ready to do it for a ridiculously low price which would not be enough for any "legitimate" painter who pays taxes, insurance etc. The fact that bills have to be paid still remains though. And of course the responsibility to make sure that your people also take home a paycheck.
I really don't know what route to take at this point and am open to any "constructive" suggestion/advice.
Thanks,
Matt
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06-06-2009, 04:10 PM
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If you can come to an agreement of terms, it could be beneficial for you to get on board. Just don't get trapped into losing your other contacts because you took yourself out of the market. I've gotten into that situation and you lose the upper hand in bargaining. On the upside, you shouldn't have to chase money and you might get to enjoy some of your after hours time if the work is steady.
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06-06-2009, 05:46 PM
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Capra aegagrus
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Remodeler
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Sigh. I just follow Loneframer around, saying "What he said."
Hey, you have to put food on the table, whatever it takes. You get bonus points for looking out for your guys at the same time.
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06-06-2009, 06:53 PM
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A.A.O.N.M.S.
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Originally Posted by PA Custom Paint
I really don't know what route to take at this point and am open to any "constructive" suggestion/advice.
Thanks,
Matt
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Call on your Bretheren and let it be known you are in need of work for your men. If I was going to cut someone a deal in order to keep my men working -you better bet it would be a Brother 1st and foremost.
Also visit www.masons4masons.org and post your listing.
"To relieve the distressed is a duty incumbent on all men, but particularly on Masons, who are linked together by an indissoluble chain of sincere affection." ------ WB William Preston, 1775
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06-06-2009, 07:47 PM
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Pro
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It's also a good way to loose a crew.
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06-06-2009, 08:47 PM
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That'll Buff Out
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They wouldnt let me in the Masons, so I started my own brotherhood called the Peanut Butter Gang. We have secret handshakes and stuff, still waiting on the hats we ordered like the Shriners. Someday we hope to be big enough that people will have theories that we are a secret cult that seeks world domination, but untill then we shoot dice in my boy Ray Ray's basement on wednesday nights.
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06-06-2009, 09:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ModernStyle
They wouldnt let me in the Masons, so I started my own brotherhood called the Peanut Butter Gang. We have secret handshakes and stuff, still waiting on the hats we ordered like the Shriners. Someday we hope to be big enough that people will have theories that we are a secret cult that seeks world domination, but untill then we shoot dice in my boy Ray Ray's basement on wednesday nights.
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I new a girl called "peanut butter legs" because they spread so easy. 
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06-06-2009, 09:38 PM
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Pro
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ModernStyle
They wouldnt let me in the Masons, so I started my own brotherhood called the Peanut Butter Gang. We have secret handshakes and stuff, still waiting on the hats we ordered like the Shriners. Someday we hope to be big enough that people will have theories that we are a secret cult that seeks world domination, but untill then we shoot dice in my boy Ray Ray's basement on wednesday nights.
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Do you dress up in silly costumes and have role play sessions for new members?
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Originally Posted by Celtic
Like I said...I'm sure you are very good at what you do ~ whatever that is and where ever it happens.
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06-06-2009, 09:39 PM
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That'll Buff Out
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Location: Fort Wayne Indiana
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Originally Posted by loneframer
I new a girl called "peanut butter legs" because they spread so easy. |
She can be in my club
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06-06-2009, 09:40 PM
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Pro
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Quote:
Originally Posted by loneframer
I new a girl called "peanut butter legs" because they spread so easy. |
still got her number? Our version of "peanut butter legs" was known as "the party favor" 
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06-06-2009, 09:44 PM
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That'll Buff Out
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick
Do you dress up in silly costumes and have role play sessions for new members?
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No mostly we just make the new guy buy the beer. I save the role playing for home, I dress up like Pippie Longstocking and have my wife spank me, but that is not official club business.
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06-06-2009, 09:51 PM
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I thought it was smooth, creamy and easy to spread.
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06-06-2009, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by WarnerConstInc.
I thought it was smooth, creamy and easy to spread.
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This girl was chunky peanut butter legs, truth be told. 
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06-06-2009, 10:08 PM
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That'll Buff Out
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Quote:
Originally Posted by loneframer
This girl was chunky peanut butter legs, truth be told. |
In that case wait untill everyone is pretty drunk before you drop her off at my club.
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06-06-2009, 10:11 PM
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Certified Remodeler
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ModernStyle
No mostly we just make the new guy buy the beer. I save the role playing for home, I dress up like Pippie Longstocking and have my wife spank me, but that is not official club business.
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I dress up like a priest and my wife wears a nun outfit, spanking is reserved for sinners, no problem finding a sinner.
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06-07-2009, 08:10 PM
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Matt
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Custom Painting
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Greater Philadelphia, PA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesse Kirchhoff
Call on your Bretheren and let it be known you are in need of work for your men. If I was going to cut someone a deal in order to keep my men working -you better bet it would be a Brother 1st and foremost.
Also visit masons4masons and post your listing.
"To relieve the distressed is a duty incumbent on all men, but particularly on Masons, who are linked together by an indissoluble chain of sincere affection." ------ WB William Preston, 1775
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Thanks for the link, Bro. Just got a confirmation email of membership from the admin.
Fraternal regards,
Matt
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06-07-2009, 08:12 PM
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Matt
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Custom Painting
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Location: Greater Philadelphia, PA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by loneframer
If you can come to an agreement of terms, it could be beneficial for you to get on board. Just don't get trapped into losing your other contacts because you took yourself out of the market. I've gotten into that situation and you lose the upper hand in bargaining. On the upside, you shouldn't have to chase money and you might get to enjoy some of your after hours time if the work is steady.
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Good advice, thanks. I'll definitely still be "hunting" even if I went that route.
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06-07-2009, 08:13 PM
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Matt
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Custom Painting
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Location: Greater Philadelphia, PA
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Originally Posted by tkle
It's also a good way to loose a crew.
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That's what I initially thought too. But I figured if they won't get a paycheck they won't be sticking around too long either.
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06-07-2009, 08:15 PM
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Matt
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Custom Painting
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Location: Greater Philadelphia, PA
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Originally Posted by Tinstaafl
Sigh. I just follow Loneframer around, saying "What he said."
Hey, you have to put food on the table, whatever it takes. You get bonus points for looking out for your guys at the same time.
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Exactly. I'll be working shoulder to shoulder with them too. As you said "whatever it takes ....."
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06-09-2009, 08:22 AM
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A.A.O.N.M.S.
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If you are a Noble visit http://www.shrinesavers.com/WhatareM...MemberAds.html and post your listing.................and if you're NOT a Noble yet....... well we'll just have to do something about that. 
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