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Old 09-05-2006, 07:53 PM   #41
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You guys that never use tape, I'm guessing you never spray
Not windows no, we use shields.

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Old 09-06-2006, 01:01 AM   #42
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I wonder if cutting in will be around for ever?... I mean who would have thought that they would come out with a liquid film to cover glass so you don't have to cut each Pane in? Or even a brush spinner to spin out the water when you could just do it w/ your hands.... or a wire brush to clean
your brushes? I mean we could just work the paint out with our fingers.
I would guess that a ladder giant would also be cheating when a old fashioned plank would surfice?... and while we are getting into it... why use a calculater or computer to figure estimates? wouldn't a block of wood
or note paper be the original way? I wonder if the guy back in the 1920's would say about useing a roller to do celings?.... "not on my crew" we'll brush them like always...if they can't brush a ceiling perfect then they shouldn't be doing them anyways.... and don't let me even mention sprayers... powerwashers.....moister level indicaters....lifts the list just goes on and on....

Say, can't we just write these posts on paper and mail them to each other?
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Re: 18 Inch Rollers And Tape Question

i agree with gtcway. I just finished spring all trim and doors in a new cons. house. I went through some serious tape and paper. Someone said something about not wanting the homeowner to see them using tape. If it is going to give them the best lines then wouldn't they appreciate that. Also people use tape to protect base boards and other things that they don't want roller splatter. I would thing the homeowner would expect that. I don't think a homeowner is going to run anyone off for taking all precautions to keep the job clean and neat.
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i meant spraying not spring
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i agree with gtcway. I just finished spring all trim and doors in a new cons. house. I went through some serious tape and paper. Someone said something about not wanting the homeowner to see them using tape. If it is going to give them the best lines then wouldn't they appreciate that. Also people use tape to protect base boards and other things that they don't want roller splatter. I would thing the homeowner would expect that. I don't think a homeowner is going to run anyone off for taking all precautions to keep the job clean and neat.

That was me, and yes.. stick around long enough you'll find some homeowner that will get upset that you use tape... she coulda done it herself as shes home and bored all day long. Just cause you use tape however, don't ever get bigheaded enough to think your lines are straighter and you work faster than everyone else... that isn't good for anyone. Yes I use tape for certain things, like protecting baseboards we are not painting, etc. I disagree with cutting in using tape but hey.... I also worked as a painters apprentice at 14 during summer breaks... I learned the hard way.

And yes I have a big head, but i've only met two people who could even keep up with a brush. Fuzzy RIP '06 and Papa John. Even half drunk and out of practice i'd put myself up against a taper. Hehehe
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Old 09-07-2006, 08:51 AM   #46
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i'm not arguing that cutting is quicker. I just think using tape along base and especially door casing looks better for me. I can cut a line. However, somewhere like a door casing where people are looking at it at eye level should be perfect. If you can do it by hand, great. I still feel my best cut line is not as perfect as one when using tape. I don't tape everything. Most lines are cut in. However, if it is a bold color next to white trim and is in an area with lots of eyes, I want it straight as a ruler. Different strokes for different folks. I've heard that one before here.
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18" Roller is the only way to go. It not only takes less time, but also cuts down on the paint lines. Be sure to soak it down before you start. Also I agree that a pro painter should not need to tape anything that requires brush cut in. Anyways the more you practice cutting in without the tape, the faster you will be...
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Tradittions.... you can't argue with them (those who never use tape) they are set in there ways and instead of saying.." Nah we don't use it.. they say.. real painters don't..or it's a crutch. What they are realy saying is that our opinion is wrong and were not real painters (even though we cut all the time) which is kinda funny cuz we did not start this by saying...
We use tape .. those who don't aren't real painters.. they are stupid and crutched by their inability to use whatever gets them the best job at the quickest timeframe... we would never say that... cuz well.... we'd be wrong .....like them?
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Tradittions.... you can't argue with them (those who never use tape) they are set in there ways and instead of saying.." Nah we don't use it.. they say.. real painters don't..or it's a crutch. What they are realy saying is that our opinion is wrong and were not real painters (even though we cut all the time) which is kinda funny cuz we did not start this by saying...
We use tape .. those who don't aren't real painters.. they are stupid and crutched by their inability to use whatever gets them the best job at the quickest timeframe... we would never say that... cuz well.... we'd be wrong .....like them?
Heh touche', however.. all I ever said really was that I don't want a HO seeing any of my guys using tape to cut and, I haven't met anyone that could tape and then cut and roll better than my guys, who run 100 sq per hour easy, per man. Show me a crew that can run it faster and cleaner, i'd believe ya.

edit : I'll put it this way, easier to understand my point I suppose, in my twisted mind. It's sorta like some of these games, you have a big two handed weapon that has a dps (damage per second) of 10.9, or you have a small one hander with a dps of 2.2, but the speed of the 2.2 is three times that of the 10.9. In the long run they both end up doing the same amount of damage and killing thier foes. However, I like the 2.2 for winter months, HO see's me painting with my 2.2 and goes "wow, I could never do that" and calls me back to paint new babies room where the 10.9 HO says.... "well, I've got 9 months, and a roll of tape". IMO, tape cutting takes money out of our pockets. I suppose that was my point from the start.
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No ... you said it nicely.... gave your opinion....and thats what I'm here for
...what you didn't say is that we are WRONG...or that we are not real painters..or we need to apply for unemployment..thats all we (I) ask. I'm here for your opinion it actualy counts to me. Otherwise I'd just play poker on this thing.
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No ... you said it nicely.... gave your opinion....and thats what I'm here for
...what you didn't say is that we are WRONG...or that we are not real painters..or we need to apply for unemployment..thats all we (I) ask. I'm here for your opinion it actualy counts to me. Otherwise I'd just play poker on this thing.
Your right, I didn't say you were wrong, just that I wouldn't hire ya if you couldn't cut without tape. I do see taping to cut as a crutch, but I do use tape on certain jobs myself.. to keep splatter from rollers off trim, paper tape (6 inch with the sticky side) to spray door frames and windows, etc. If I hired a painter tomorrow and he asked for four rolls of tape to do a job, ya.. he be looking again, but... my reasons are above on that. I suppose we would have to agree to disagree on tape.
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Cut and roll 100 sq ft an hour? Im 64 years old and can do 350 in 40 minutes on my worst day.I think maybe you forgot a zero.
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Cut and roll 100 sq ft an hour? Im 64 years old and can do 350 in 40 minutes on my worst day.I think maybe you forgot a zero.
Nope, that's one man, two coats. 1300 square house, two coat in 13 hours... roughly 100 square per hour, with breaks, one man... two coats. Footage, so I suppose you would be right on the amount, would most likely be somewhere around 400 or more, new construction around here pays per square footage of the house not per wall.
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