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jaymay75 · 10-16-2008, 10:47 AM

I am wiring an addition and have some NEC code questions - possibly you could help.

Kitchen:

I have a Eat in area, then kitchen, then dining room (existing - newly wired).

I have a 20 amp circuit in the dining room with only two outlets on it - not sure how that happened but....

- Can I use this to feed the Gas Range?
- Can this circuit feed the range hood?
- Can this circuit feed the lighting in the kitchen?
- Can I use this circuit to feed the outlets in the Eat in Area

I have a circuit pulled for 3 outlets in the living room -
- Can this circuit feed outlets in the Eat in Area?
- Can this circuit feed the Kitchen lights?

I've read that the dishwasher and garabge disposal can and can not be on the same circuit.
- Which do you prefer?
- Can a seperate circuit to the garbage disposal feed the outlets in the Eat in Area?

Bedroom:
- Does each bedroom need its own circuit, or can they share circuits?
- Do the bedrooms need AFCI circuits?

BAsement:
- Does an unfinished basement need wired for the rough-in inspection?

Speedy Petey · 10-16-2008, 02:49 PM

My comments in RED:

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Originally Posted by jaymay75

I am wiring an addition and have some NEC code questions - possibly you could help.

Kitchen:

I have a Eat in area, then kitchen, then dining room (existing - newly wired).

I have a 20 amp circuit in the dining room with only two outlets on it - not sure how that happened but....

- Can I use this to feed the Gas Range? Yes
- Can this circuit feed the range hood? NO
- Can this circuit feed the lighting in the kitchen? NO
- Can I use this circuit to feed the outlets in the Eat in Area? Yes

I have a circuit pulled for 3 outlets in the living room -
- Can this circuit feed outlets in the Eat in Area? NO
- Can this circuit feed the Kitchen lights? Yes

I've read that the dishwasher and garabge disposal can and can not be on the same circuit. Not true.
- Which do you prefer? A shared 20A circuit for both.
- Can a seperate circuit to the garbage disposal feed the outlets in the Eat in Area? NO

Bedroom:
- Does each bedroom need its own circuit, or can they share circuits? Shared is fine
- Do the bedrooms need AFCI circuits? Yes, IF your local codes require them. Not all areas do yet.

BAsement:
- Does an unfinished basement need wired for the rough-in inspection? If it is unfinished what are you wiring?

Bkessler · 10-16-2008, 03:12 PM

Concerning dish and disposal I thought since they were "fixed appliances with over an 1/8th hp motor they needed to be dedicated?

I am excited I might learn something today!

Speedy Petey · 10-16-2008, 03:22 PM

BK, where do you fin this 1/8hp rule?

Bkessler · 10-16-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Petey

BK, where do you fin this 1/8hp rule?

I am not sure I ll have to look, this could be something I miss understood.

Celtic · 10-16-2008, 05:54 PM

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BAsement:
- Does an unfinished basement need wired for the rough-in inspection? If it is unfinished what are you wiring?

Petey....how about the required GFCI outlet?

JamesNLA · 10-16-2008, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bkessler

I am not sure I ll have to look, this could be something I miss understood.

Could it be this?

http://www.contractortalk.com/showth...highlight=fart

Speedy Petey · 10-16-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Celtic

Petey....how about the required GFCI outlet?

OK, then I stand corrected.
Yes, the one minimum required GFI protected receptacle needs to have it's rough-in inspected.

Bkessler · 10-16-2008, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Petey

BK, where do you fin this 1/8hp rule?

Well I had to go back to 96 and found 210-22 (a) but that ain't it. So then I went to 210-23(a)-2 in the 05 cycle and that wasn't it either. But maybe it goes back to 93, or more likely I was just confused.

jaymay75 · 10-20-2008, 11:37 AM

Awesome - much appreciated

jaymay75 · 10-20-2008, 11:38 AM

Yes, its an unfinished basement. I'm going to put in a few lights and one or two outlets and call it a day.

Thanks again.

jaymay75 · 10-20-2008, 11:42 AM

Should I wire that range hood into the circuit for the 3 outlets in the living room.

So that circuit would supply the 3 living room outlets, Kitchen and Dining room lighting, and the range hood. Is this ok?

Celtic · 10-20-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jaymay75

Should I wire that range hood into the circuit for the 3 outlets in the living room.

So that circuit would supply the 3 living room outlets, Kitchen and Dining room lighting, and the range hood. Is this ok?

You should read petey's answer again.

luckyshadow · 12-30-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bkessler

Well I had to go back to 96 and found 210-22 (a) but that ain't it. So then I went to 210-23(a)-2 in the 05 cycle and that wasn't it either. But maybe it goes back to 93, or more likely I was just confused.

I think your confusing disconnecting means with circuit requirements.
Read article 422.31 - Diconnection of permanently connected appliances.
I believe this is where you came up with the 1/8 HP ordeal

msalinas · 07-23-2009, 04:23 PM

Wiring, will it ever end?

Celtic · 07-23-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by msalinas

Wiring, will it ever end?

Next Tuesday is the end date.
All wiring must be completed by then.

electrichelper · 07-23-2009, 09:30 PM

According to Article 300 in the 2008 NEC book, the kitchen must have two, that's TWO small appliance branch circuits and need to be GFCI protected, and can not supply other lines. Also, it must be 20 amp circuits. For the lighting, it has to be a separate circuit but the range hood might be able to be added. The bedroom, according to NEC AFCI are somewhat required, but it depends on the inspector to make the call. For this just call the inspector you'll be using and ask him about it. Also the bedrooms can be tied together, or seperated, depending in amp usage. In my house two rooms are together for lighting, but receptacles are on seprate circuits by room. The basement, since it is an unfinished basement, it must have at least on GFCI protected circuit. Hope this helps you out man, and good luck to you!

480sparky · 07-23-2009, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by electrichelper

According to Article 300 in the 2008 NEC book, the kitchen must have two, that's TWO small appliance branch circuits and need to be GFCI protected, and can not supply other lines.
Also, it must be 20 amp circuits.

Art. 210.11(C)(1), actually, as well as 210.8(A).

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Originally Posted by electrichelper

For the lighting, it has to be a separate circuit but the range hood might be able to be added. The bedroom, according to NEC AFCI are somewhat required, but it depends on the inspector to make the call. For this just call the inspector you'll be using and ask him about it. Also the bedrooms can be tied together, or seperated, depending in amp usage. In my house two rooms are together for lighting, but receptacles are on seprate circuits by room.

No 'somewhat' or 'making a call' on AFCI for the bedrooms, unless you're on the '99. And if you're on the '08, you'll need more than just the bedrooms on AFCIs. 210.12.

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Originally Posted by electrichelper

The basement, since it is an unfinished basement, it must have at least on GFCI protected circuit. Hope this helps you out man, and good luck to you!

ampman · 07-24-2009, 08:13 PM

a carpenter wiring anything is not good