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09-26-2009, 10:11 AM
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sub panel placement
Doin an addition had to have a sub panel placed. Architect pulled a boner and marked a 8x8 room as a closet on the prints where he had the panel placed. So of course inspector comes and says nope not gonna let you put a panel in a closet. In the bathroom at the end of the tub is a "utility room" for the stackable washer and hot water tank. The rocket scientist comes up with the bright idea to put the panel in the same wall as the shower valve.  I mean does this sound as stupid to anyone else as it does to me? The wall the panel was gonna be on in the "closet" was where the door would swing into so nothing could cover it, plenty of clear space around it. I know you cant have a panel in a closet but is it really better to put it where he wants it?
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09-26-2009, 10:22 AM
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What is the 8'x8' room truley for? If it truley is a closet, then you're out of luck. But if it really, truley, really is something like a office, then it could be wise to have the architect do a resubmittal.
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09-26-2009, 10:26 AM
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Closet
Just take the door off, and have Arch say it is a utility room now. Hopefully you have 3x3x6' well. If you want to put the door back and make it a closet later that's your perogative.
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09-26-2009, 10:38 AM
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Atm its a ?? room so thats why architect put closet. Hey if it makes the inspector happy to put it in a tub wall so someone can lean on the washer to flip a breaker or work in the panel so be it. Its just one of those things that annoys me because the next guy thats comes along is gonna give it a "wtf who puts a panel here" then our's and the electricians name is on it. I guess its more a vent at how stubborn inspectors can be.
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09-26-2009, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by jkfox624
Doin an addition had to have a sub panel placed. Architect pulled a boner and marked a 8x8 room as a closet on the prints where he had the panel placed. So of course inspector comes and says nope not gonna let you put a panel in a closet. In the bathroom at the end of the tub is a "utility room" for the stackable washer and hot water tank. The rocket scientist comes up with the bright idea to put the panel in the same wall as the shower valve.  I mean does this sound as stupid to anyone else as it does to me? The wall the panel was gonna be on in the "closet" was where the door would swing into so nothing could cover it, plenty of clear space around it. I know you cant have a panel in a closet but is it really better to put it where he wants it?
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As long as there's no clearance issues (110.26), the panel can go in a closet. (unless you're building a mobile/manufactured home)
There's no restriction about putting a panel in the same wall as plumbing.
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09-26-2009, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 480sparky
As long as there's no clearance issues (110.26), the panel can go in a closet. (unless you're building a mobile/manufactured home)
There's no restriction about putting a panel in the same wall as plumbing.
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Really? i dont know the code that well, not really my gig. Sometimes i think these guys just make chit up to sound important.
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09-26-2009, 12:04 PM
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Really? i dont know the code that well, not really my gig. Sometimes i think these guys just make chit up to sound important.
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There are some that do. They have their own way of doing things, and believe that's what the Code says. Other like to quote what I call "Shirt Pocket" codes.
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09-26-2009, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 480sparky
As long as there's no clearance issues (110.26), the panel can go in a closet. (unless you're building a mobile/manufactured home)
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That's not really playing fair, is it.......what about : 240.24(D) ?
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09-26-2009, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 480sparky
There are some that do. They have their own way of doing things, and believe that's what the Code says. Other like to quote what I call "Shirt Pocket" codes.
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Yeah i def agree with that. We have one inspector for everything though that we have a good working relationship with. He trusts our plumber enough he doesnt even look at his work, most of the times we call him he says he'll stop out at some point but just keep goin ahead so cant really complain to much.
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09-26-2009, 10:05 PM
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That's not really playing fair, is it.......what about: 240.24(D) ?
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Strange. I was second-guessing myself on this one so I did a search of the NEC. That section didn't come up.
Now I know a little secret about the NEC on CD........ if you search for closet, it will not show you closets.
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09-26-2009, 11:14 PM
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Strange. I was second-guessing myself on this one so I did a search of the NEC. That section didn't come up.
Now I know a little secret about the NEC on CD........ if you search for closet, it will not show you closets.
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So what the article I asked about?
Are panels allowed in closet/s?
*TIP*
Search for "closet " ....use the quotes....I'm pretty sure any variations will show up
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09-26-2009, 11:19 PM
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So what the article I asked about?
Are panels allowed in closet/s?
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I reckin not.
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*TIP*
Search for "closet " ....use the quotes....I'm pretty sure any variations will show up 
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Nope. Nothing in Chapter 2 at all.
But a search for closet* finds both closet and closets. Interesting and totally baffling search algorittm to say the least.
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09-26-2009, 11:23 PM
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I reckin not.
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Thanks for letting the OP know that
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Originally Posted by 480sparky
Nope. Nothing in Chapter 2 at all.
But a search for closet* finds both closet and closets. Interesting and totally baffling search algorittm to say the least.
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* that was it!
The folio software doesn't seem to work with Vista for me 
Searching a PDF for closet will show all.
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09-26-2009, 11:24 PM
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Thanks for letting the OP know that
* that was it!
The folio software doesn't seem to work with Vista for me 
Searching a PDF for closet will show all. 
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I rarely use the .pdf version. I prefer the functions of the Folio View, especially when it comes to the tables.
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09-26-2009, 11:57 PM
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I rarely use the .pdf version. I prefer the functions of the Folio View, especially when it comes to the tables.
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As do I, but the XP laptop is on sabbatical ~ so you make do with what you have.
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