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Jeff
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Sub Panel Placement
Doin an addition had to have a sub panel placed. Architect pulled a boner and marked a 8x8 room as a closet on the prints where he had the panel placed. So of course inspector comes and says nope not gonna let you put a panel in a closet. In the bathroom at the end of the tub is a "utility room" for the stackable washer and hot water tank. The rocket scientist comes up with the bright idea to put the panel in the same wall as the shower valve.
I mean does this sound as stupid to anyone else as it does to me? The wall the panel was gonna be on in the "closet" was where the door would swing into so nothing could cover it, plenty of clear space around it. I know you cant have a panel in a closet but is it really better to put it where he wants it?
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Re: Sub Panel Placement
What is the 8'x8' room truley for? If it truley is a closet, then you're out of luck. But if it really, truley, really is something like a office, then it could be wise to have the architect do a resubmittal.
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Re: Sub Panel Placement
Just take the door off, and have Arch say it is a utility room now. Hopefully you have 3x3x6' well. If you want to put the door back and make it a closet later that's your perogative.
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Re: Sub Panel Placement
Atm its a ?? room so thats why architect put closet. Hey if it makes the inspector happy to put it in a tub wall so someone can lean on the washer to flip a breaker or work in the panel so be it. Its just one of those things that annoys me because the next guy thats comes along is gonna give it a "wtf who puts a panel here" then our's and the electricians name is on it. I guess its more a vent at how stubborn inspectors can be.
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Re: Sub Panel PlacementQuote:
There's no restriction about putting a panel in the same wall as plumbing.
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Re: Sub Panel PlacementQuote:
Really? i dont know the code that well, not really my gig. Sometimes i think these guys just make chit up to sound important. |
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Re: Sub Panel Placement
There are some that do. They have their own way of doing things, and believe that's what the Code says. Other like to quote what I call "Shirt Pocket" codes.
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Re: Sub Panel Placement
That's not really playing fair, is it.......what about: 240.24(D) ?
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Yeah i def agree with that. We have one inspector for everything though that we have a good working relationship with. He trusts our plumber enough he doesnt even look at his work, most of the times we call him he says he'll stop out at some point but just keep goin ahead so cant really complain to much. |
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Re: Sub Panel PlacementQuote:
Now I know a little secret about the NEC on CD........ if you search for closet, it will not show you closets.
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Re: Sub Panel PlacementQuote:
So what the article I asked about? Are panels allowed in closet/s? *TIP* Search for "closet" ....use the quotes....I'm pretty sure any variations will show up
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Re: Sub Panel PlacementQuote:
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But a search for closet* finds both closet and closets. Interesting and totally baffling search algorittm to say the least.
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Re: Sub Panel Placement
Thanks for letting the OP know that
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The folio software doesn't seem to work with Vista for me ![]() Searching a PDF for closet will show all.
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Re: Sub Panel PlacementQuote:
I rarely use the .pdf version. I prefer the functions of the Folio View, especially when it comes to the tables.
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Re: Sub Panel Placement
As do I, but the XP laptop is on sabbatical ~ so you make do with what you have.
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Re: Sub Panel Placement
cant put a panel in a clothes closet but u can put it in other closets
jurisdiction has final word 240.24 Location in or on Premises. (A) Accessibility. Overcurrent devices shall be readily accessible and shall be installed so that the center of the grip ofthe operating handle of the switch or circuit breaker, when in its highest position, is not more than 2.0 m (6 ft 7 in.) above the floor or working platform unless one of the following applies: 2007 California Electrical Code (1) For busways, as provided in 368.12. (2) For supplementary overcurrent protection, as described in 240.10. (3) For overcurrent devices, as described in 225.40 and 230.92. (4) For overcurrent devices adjacent to utilization equipment that they supply, access shall be permitted to be by portable means. (B) Occupancy. Each occupant shall have ready access to all overcurrent devices protecting the conductors supplying that occupancy. Exception No.1: Where electric service and electrical main.tenance are provided by the building management and where these are under continuous building management supervision, the service overcurrent devices and feeder overcurrent devices supplying more than one occupancy shall be permitted to be accessible to only authorized managementpersonnel in the following: (1) Multiple-occupancy buildings (2) Guest rooms or guest suites ofhotels and motels that are intendedfor transient occupancy Exception No.2: Where electric service and electrical m'izintenance are provided by the building management and where these are under continuous building management supervision, the bri:mch circuit overcurrent devices supplying any guest rooms or guest suites shall be permitted to be accessible to only authorized management personnel for guest rooms of hotels and motels that are intendedfor transient occupancy. (C) Not Exposed to Physical Damage. Overcurrent devices shall be located where they will not be exposed to /' physical damage. FPN: See 110.11, Deteriorating Agents. (D) Not in Vicinity of Easily Ignitible Material. protection, shall not be located in bathrooms.Overcurrent devices shall not be located in the vicinity of easily ignitible material, such as in clothes closets. (E) Not Located in Bathrooms. In dwelling units and guest rooms or guest suites of hotels and motels, overcurrent devices, other than supplementary overcurrent |
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Re: Sub Panel Placement
One Man, are you aware of the dates of some of the posts you are replying to?
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Re: Sub Panel PlacementQuote:
Methinks it's a troll.
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