2008 Nec

Electricmanscot

Thank god the North won.

mickeyco

Here's your proof:

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Celtic

I was expecting a "Dr. Evil" type lair for HQ

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InPhase277

Hahaha! I said dump truck! That one's too small!

InPhase277

InPhase277

It's funny that you capitalized "North" and not "god". Are you taking a shot at the Lord now too? Sheesh man! Bunch of God-less yankees...

InPhase277

InPhase277

Not you per se, it was the implication by others. It was implied that if I didn't goose step to the 08 tune I was some kind of hack who should't be allowed to do electrical work.

InPhase277

Speedy Petey

You say that like it's a bad thing. I am actually quite proud of that title.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.


InPhase, I do tend to agree with you on this, in part, and in theory. I just think your delivery could use some polishing.

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InPhase277

What are you talking about? Who's bitching? Certainly not me. I simply made the statement that I don't buy the motivation behind their adoption into the 08 Code. Nothing more. It's not like I'm leading a lynch mob of home owners' association members to the state construction board... I agree that thumbing your nose at the code, if it is in force, makes you a hack.

Like I said, in new construction, in an area where it has been adopted, I'd have no choice. In old work, in an area where half the OCPDs you find are plug fuses, they simply are not an option. I'm not gonna turn down a job because I can't screw an AFCI into a fuse panel. Not bitching at all.

Do you really not know what a "jackleg" is? I thought it was universal electrician lingo. Guess it's regional. How about "kleins"? Are Southerns the only ones to use that? 1900 boxes? Jiffy clips? 4-11 boxes? A-Bs?

InPhase277

InPhase277

I'm an electrician, not a PR guy, true. And if I could actually say what I type, it wouldn't "sound" as rough. It is hard to convey exact emotion in an emoticon. I think I have been grossly misunderstood. That's all. I love each and everyone of you...

InPhase277

Celtic

Why is it being a "good little drone" or "goose stepping" or whatever other "polite smart ass-ity" little dig you chose to toss out there ...to simply follow the edition of the NEC that has been adapted to that particular area?

In post #16, I pointed out that Ga. has adapted the '08.
Some areas - where ever Podunk. Ga. is? - may have amendments and such that differ from the State's position...and there is nothing wrong with that.
If a home has fuses, FPE or some other dated equipment I can understand the reluctance to use AFCI OCPD. But to issue a statement "I don't put them on AFCI's, nor will I. There is nothing wrong with the inverse-time breaker that costs $3.50." , really shows some ignorance. Before you get all excited, let's not forget - I am no fan of AFCI( #16). I, however, have valid concerns over this new technology ~ as does, apparently, the Great State of NJ.
I say: Let the other States be the guinea pigs here ~ and if that includes the State of Georgia - so be it.

When - and IF - NJ adapts 210.12(B) of the '08 NEC I will follow it .....not because I am some mindless drone, but rather because it will become law - that I as a licensed EC in this State must follow.
If I see the opportunity to swap out a panel in order to supply the customer with AFCI protection, I will seize the opportunity to sell my customer the necessary equipment and profit from it....if didn't, I would not be giving my customer the service that EXPECT from a licensed EC.

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Celtic

You are already IN the closet.

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Electricmanscot

Very much intentional. In fact I did capatilize it but changed it and got the response I thought I would get.

Edit to add, read the newspaper everyday and you will quickly realize, there is no god.

InPhase277

ssssstop teasing.

InPhase277

InPhase277

Again, it isn't Ga that I'm talking about. I do no residential whatsoever in Ga. In Podunk, Alabama, we have no locally adopted code. I have a heap of service work here, and I do swap panels quite a bit here. Perhaps one of my main calls. It's just that some folks don't want that yet. But believe you me, if they want a receptacle added, I'm not turning them down because they have a split bus fuse panel.

Have you met anyone that auto-adopts the newest edition of the Code, whether or not it is what is in force? That is a drone. That's what some here sound like. I said I would not use AFCIs. I never said I wouldn't use them no matter what. I think that is where all this stems from. I made a statement, which pertained to my particular area, and suddenly, "it doesn't matter what you buy" and "there's a guy you want doing your electrical..." In my opinion, I wasn't the one with the knee-jerk reaction.

I do not use AFCIs nor will I, until such time they are enforced by law. Just because the latest edition of the NEC says it, doesn't mean I'm gonna jump on the band wagon. Is that ignorance? It would be ignorant for me to do that in Atl. Though there they are only required in bedrooms. It would be ignorant of me to disobey the law, you are absolutely right.

InPhase277

InPhase277

That's another can of worms altogether.

InPhase277

jrclen

How about those tamper resistant receptacle outlets?

idoelectric

[quote=[QUOTE]InPhase277;380885]I personally don't buy the reasons why they were even developed in the first place. If AFCI's were so important, they'd require the whole house to be protected by them, not just some circuitsOnly 15 and 20 amp 125volt circuits are required to afci. AFCI main wouldn't work.

JohnJ0906

[quote=idoelectric;385552]Also, why shut down the entire house for a problem on one circuit. Also, due to GFCI protection (30 mA) in each AFCI, cumulative leakage might also cause the main to trip.

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All replies based on the 2008 NEC

jrclen

[/QUOTE]
Also, why shut down the entire house for a problem on one circuit.[/QUOTE]

Like we do for much switch gear in industrial applications?

Bulldog77

Aricle 90 Pupose of code is to practical safeguarding of persons and property from hazards arising from the use of electrcity.
There are at least 70,000 documented cases of children needing ER treatment, because of electrical shocks. Many from from receptacles.
That is why tamper resistant receptacle are going to be required.
Some say it is the parents responsibilty, but anyone that has or had children know how quick something can happen.
Arc faults will cut down on fires, do to a number of reasons.
Faulty installation, screws or nails penatrating the wire. The list can go on.
The main thing is that the code is to help reduce these incidents.