Tiling Shower And Seat

ChrWright

1" per ft:



Dual slope:

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kevjob

holy crap wow nice shower in the last couple of pics Chris! I like the flat in between the slopes I tried that in that shower in the pic and it looked to choppy. You use kerdi Chris?

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ChrWright

I will likely use Kerdi for the next steam shower we do. For these I used 9235.

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JazMan

I agree, very nice work there guys.

HOWEVER.....there is so much wrong info in this thread that it is scary. Sorry, but Mr. Renovator and Genecarp, Don't know what they are doing, to put it bluntly. How else can it be said? No need now to go over all the bad advice, just disregard what they said.

In case you guys wanna learn how to build showers, start a thread.

Jaz

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R&D Tile

Chris, nice work, but, you stated you use 9235 for the steam showers, it's not rated for them unless used with a vapor barrier, it's waterproof but will let gasses through, same with their new Hydroban.

Kerdi is the way to go in the future.

ChrWright

Yes, "with vapor barrier."

Kerdi does look like a much better system, though.

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genecarp

Jazgenius, here are a couple of pros from JOHNS BRIDGE, they are commenting on a the neccesity of pitching a residential steam unit cieling. you, like many others, are only able to think in one way. you parrot what you have heard others say, but probably dont have the field experiance to realize that there are many ways to accomplish a task in construction, i offer you this challenge, rather than just say " ITS WRONG, ITS WRONG, YOU CANT DO IT , YOU CANT DO IT, lets gather some research, and spell it out here, specifically what i have said that is incorrect, i suspect the best you will come up with is, ITS JUST WRONG!!!!G
A residential steamer can have a flat ceiling. It takes about 45 minutes for the dripping to even begin to form. Way longer than most people steam for. Commercial units run 24/7. Those need the sloped ceiling. Glass doors will have a steam dump panel above the door. Light fixtures for a steam shower are few and rare. Very expensive and very low lumen output. I wish someone at the major lighting companies would come up with a product.


http://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin/...ad.php?t=62378

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genecarp

Here is one more from, JLC, this veteran contributor explains it well regarding slopped cielings
http://forums.jlconline.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=42257

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JazMan

Slopped ceilings?......did you hear me mention your ceiling error? Your bad advice about waterproofing is more important than that.

Really Gene (?), the way you described the installation of the CBU and method of waterproofing is laughable.

I am a member of the John Bridge forum, (I even know John and Patti), Why don't you copy and paste your answers there and see how many member laugh at you and offer help?

I am also a member at JLC, and 7 other tile forums. How do you know that I can only think in one way? Which way is that? Maybe by the book, following instructions, knowing what works long terms? You want me to make a list of all the wrong advice you gave? Why don't you go back and re-read what you wrote first?

Jaz

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Bud Cline

This thread is full of bad advice. There IS more than one way to do things but the nonsense showing up in this thread is bad news. Here's one example that comes from one of the early referrals.

This is how this character says you build a bench using a pan liner material.

#1.Make the mixture fairly wet.
#2.Apply a one quarter to one half inch thick layer of this cement paste on top of the membrane.

How's that gonna work, exactly???

ARE YA KIDDIN' ME????

genecarp

[quote=Bud Cline;505506]This thread is full of bad advice. There IS more than one way to do things but the nonsense showing up in this thread is bad news. Here's one example that comes from one of the early referrals.



This is how this character says you build a bench using a pan liner material.

#1.Make the mixture fairly wet.
#2.Apply a one quarter to one half inch thick layer of this cement paste on top of the membrane.

How's that gonna work, exactly???

ARE YA KIDDIN' ME????[/quote

Yes Bud, i agree, this is not correct, , now for ONE of the reasons i think it is not correct, if the mixture is wet, when you go to set a slab seat with pitch, it will not hold its pitch, it will want to settle, and the mud will ooze out, that is an example of challenging a procedure, AND STATING WHY...

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genecarp

you are already in, dont rip it apart, this type of application, if it is what i think, it can work out, first off make sure the bench framing had slight pitch, then the membrane should have been glued to the bench, stick wonderboard or the similar to the bench surface, (if you must), use a couple of carefully placed screws, i know, everyone is going to yell, , talk the ho into using slab mat to cover the entire bench area, including the riser. slabs to be thinset to the wonderboard !!!!


OK JAZZY, here is post #1, in the way i demonstrated (in the above post #71) an intelligent person disputes a construction technique, please feel free to explain to us , with REASONS (THE BASES FOR ALL GOOD INTELLIGENT DEBATE) why you dispute this advice. we await your response. G


PS I just checked out your website, you responses and comments are now making more sense to me,,,,

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R&D Tile

LMAO, this is too much, wet thinset, dry thinset, doesn't matter, no good.

Let's move on, now that we know how to build a bench to last, or some of us anyway.

genecarp

Yes neighbor, this is starting to bore me as well, no one here seems to be able to support there position with solid evidence, or at least even make a good argument, all that anyone has been able to say is ITS WRONG, YOU CANT DO IT. i obviously disagree, the system i described was in response to the OP. he described a situation (that he had, existing) that i have personally seen and done MANY TIMES over the past 25 years, i wont go into all the never a problem stuff, BUT THE MAJORITY OF MY CLIENTS have been with me for 20+ years...would this be my first choice as a way to build a bench? NO, steams and REG showers i would opt for WEDI #`1. Anyway, i have supported my posistion with other documents that show the procedures i outlined as acceptable, i am sure there are many more books and experts who if i had more time, i would seek out and post here. i am over and out of this thread, unless someone comes back with a solid argument to make, i will not hold my breath. G

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R&D Tile

Show me one that does, and NOT links to other installers who don't know diddly.

For hopefully the last time, you CAN NOT glue, thinset, weld, anchor, screw etc, etc, etc CBU over PVC or CPE liner on a bench, then install a slab of stone and expect it to last.

CAN it be done, YES, you tile over carpet too.

It needs to be waterproofed on the face, moisture will find it's way in otherwise, very simple, not rocket science, think about it.

The photos of the kerdi repair I posted was done exactly that way, CBU over a liner, you don't want to know what it looked like under there when we ripped it all out.

genecarp

[quote=R&D Tile;505770]Show me one that does, and NOT links to other installers who don't know diddly.

OK HERE,

http://www.askthebuilder.com/168_Cer...wer_Seat.shtml

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genecarp

BTW, HERE IS TIM CARTERS HISTORY, THE CREATOR OF ASK THE BUILDER, to summarize he has been in the business for 34 years, was voted one of the top 50 remodelers in 1993 by remodeling magazine etcc etc... what else can i say, i will dig up more stuff, in my free time, but as i have continually stated no one has giving me anything more than, IT WONT WORK!!!, I AM SURE the next comments will be " this recognized tradesman with years in the biz is a dummy, with once again no solid argument from anyone. G
http://www.askthebuilder.com/carter.shtml

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JazMan

OMG, I am not surprised YOU brought up Tim Carter. Tim Carter has no idea what round he's in. A total hack when it come to tiling. We have gone thru some of his hack methods before....several times here and at other professional forums.

For a good laugh go to YOUTube to see some of his handy-work.

Start with this GEM!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzq5AGa2PTI

Jaz

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kevjob

From the TCNA installation manual on page 60 " slope ceilings 2" per ft min. to avoid condensation... TCNA SR614-05. These are the guys who set the standards I adhere to.

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R&D Tile

What a joke this guy is, and how did he attach the CBU to the front of the liner on the seat bench, he didn't explain that part, did he.

Maybe we can get Bob you know who in here and tell us how it should be done.

Oh wait maybe Dean Johnson can join in also, they all know more than I do about tiling.

I guess if you have ripped out enough seats as I have installed that way and seen what happens, you'd think twice, but wait, Tim is the tile God, can't be, he's the expert above all, it has to work, why, cause he said so, I guess my 25 plus years doesn't count, haven't made a video yet.

This is really too funny now.

And to those who are reading all of this and want to know how to install a waterproof shower seat, I'm sure this isn't helping any, go to JBs place and ask this very same question, you won't find ONE installer out of hundreds there who will back up this nonsense, but again, Tim must know more than all of us, eh.