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Old 10-18-2017, 06:42 PM   #1
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Tile Over Vinyl Floor


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Looking for some insight on installing tile over vinyl flooring. Talked to another tile installer and he suggested removing top of vinyl with adhesive solvent ( so thinset can adhere to), lay thinset, then hardie board over. The floor is also low in some spots so he also suggested putting extra thinset in low spots (prior to laying hardie backer down) then fasten to floor. Is this a proper way to do this? Thanks!
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Old 10-19-2017, 09:24 AM   #2
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No it's not quite that simple and I can't think of a good reason to tile over vinyl.

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So would I have to take up all the vinyl squares? What about all the adhesive on floor? What would you suggest
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It can be done as long as you meet all requirements

https://www.schluter.com/schluter-us...vinyl-flooring


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As long as the vinyl is bonded well I see no problem, go at it with a belt sander to give it tooth if it makes ya feel better, but modified thinset and proper schedule of screws will have your hardi or durock attached perfectly. We've even successfully used ditra over sheet vinyl.
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Schluter Ditra can go over vinyl flooring. I would not recommend it personally tho.
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If you're screwing down hardi then there should be no issues.
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If you're screwing down hardi then there should be no issues.
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Screw Cement board. Heavy. Hard to cut and work with. The dust will kill ya and the mess is not worth it.

As long as the vinyl is secure I would Mapei EcoPrim Grip over it. Sand it first. Wash it down with denatured alcohol. EcoPrim Grip and then Ditra or just tile if the subfloor underneath is sufficient.
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If you're screwing down hardi then there should be no issues.
You don't just screw it down. That's the issue. You must apply thinset then the board, then screw it down. The thinset won't just adhere to the vinyl unless you are using some sticky icky like Ardex 77.
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You could also Ardex GPS when mixed with Ardex E 25 over the vinyl.
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You can use Eco Prim Grip Mapei primer so adhesive sticks to it. But if it particle board under it I would never tile over it. Remove it and put plywood down
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Thank you guys for all the advice!!I?ve never heard of the ardex stuff or the ecoprim. I will have to research it a little more, but will probably end up using.
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When tiling over top of anything other than a subfloor, I recommend using a thinset additive (like this one).

It's obviously more expensive than water, but so are call-backs.

I've not used the Mapei product mentioned above, but if you go with hardie, get the additive. Glue it, screw it, and you'll be fine.
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When tiling over top of anything other than a subfloor, I recommend using a thinset additive (like this one).

It's obviously more expensive than water, but so are call-backs.

I've not used the Mapei product mentioned above, but if you go with hardie, get the additive. Glue it, screw it, and you'll be fine.
If you get a highly modified thinset there is no need for the additive.
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Plain old Versabond modified thinset will work just fine if the floor is solid and clean.
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If you get a highly modified thinset there is no need for the additive.
Do you have a brand you recommend? I'd be interested in trying it out.
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Do you have a brand you recommend? I'd be interested in trying it out.
I use Mapei, but any modified thinset would do. For tile over anything other than tile substrate I would use Kerabond with Keralastic.
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When tiling over top of anything other than a subfloor, I recommend using a thinset additive (like this one).

It's obviously more expensive than water, but so are call-backs.

I've not used the Mapei product mentioned above, but if you go with hardie, get the additive. Glue it, screw it, and you'll be fine.
Additive is just a waste of time. What are you mixing it with, CustomBlend? Just upgrade to VersaBond or others.
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Additive is just a waste of time. What are you mixing it with, CustomBlend? Just upgrade to VersaBond or others.
I use VersaBond. I recommend using an additive in cases like this because like I said, call-backs are expensive. The additive seems like an inexpensive way to avoid them.

I've had jobs where I go in and demo a tile floor that was laid over vinyl (or over plastic laminate in the case of countertops) and I'll hit hollow spots where the mud has broken up over the years, as well as spots where the mud sheared right off the substrate (no backer there, but backer could, in theory, react the same way). After doing a little research I decided that utilizing an additive would be a good way to potentially avoid issues like this.

I'm not preaching this as a fool-proof method, just adding a layer of protection to the work.

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