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Shower Base
Hey guys, I'm trying to find the "industry standard" for preparing a shower base for tile. I got to my site today to frame for the shower and it turns out the plumber had already installed a copper pan for the shower. There is no sloped base under this pan which, according to veteran tile setter and multi-author Mike Byrne, there should be. The way I see it the procedure is something like this:
Also, do I need to leave my cement board off the shower floor any to avoid any water wicking? I haven't started this yet so if the above procedure is wrong, no harm done. But I would appreciate any advice you veterans have to offer.
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Re: Shower Base
What's the need for the copper pan between mud jobs?
I wrote up a little article about mudding a shower pan for tile installation
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Re: Shower Base
Well, without talking to the HO first, I'm assuming the plumber for one reason or another talked him into the copper pan. I'm not doing any of the subbing so this was something that was just there one day. I'll talk to the HO in the AM so I can ask him then.
Thanks
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Re: Shower Base
Matts article is well done and follows the TCA's detail on building a Shower receptor (although Photo's would be helpful to the DIY and remodeling contractor's Matt
If you are going to do Showers, OR any tilework for that matter, I HIGHLY reccomend getting your hands on a Current Tile Council Of America Installation Handbook. This will provide detailed information on the proper methods and Materials required for ANY situation you run across ( ok about 99.5 % of them anyways ) The first thing you will find when reading through a handbook for the first time is HOW MUCH YOU DONT KNOW about tilework.......This is the beginning and a first step towards a much larger world.........You will also find out how much retailers DONT KNOW about Tile Installations. Of all the advice ive handed out online over the many years Ive been Moderating over at the JB site, this is the one piece of advice that has done the most good to our semi pro and pro population.........I reccomend you take this advice......GET THE BOOK!!! Email Literature@Tileusa.com
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Re: Shower Base
.....and just so Tileguytodd doesn't have to prostitue himself I will add that the book (TYW) aledgedly written by John Bridge would be an asset to any tileguys library. "Tile Your World" is an excellent offering to the tile installation industry.
I would recommend that every installer also purchases Tile Your World. Like John Bridge always says: If you are going to install tile then go buy the book. |
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Re: Shower BaseQuote:
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Re: Shower BaseQuote:
thanks Mat judging by your article and your website you really seem to know what your talking about. Oh by the way, in the article you say don't screw through the bottom 6" of membrane. But wouldn't that mean the bottom 6" of your cement board is just sorta floating there. Do you use another means to fasten the bottom of board to wall?
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Re: Shower Base
Everything sounds good to me except one thing you definetly want to cover the copper pan with tar or something. As i learned years ago as a young app. the alkaly in the mortor is corrosive to copper. So if you must use that material i would take steps to avoid deteriation
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Re: Shower BaseQuote:
Last edited by troubleseeker; 07-29-2007 at 04:02 PM. Reason: spelling |
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Re: Shower BaseQuote:
In the quest for faster and cheaper, this is just another example of a finer point of a trade that has been lost. Now I must rant about a couple of my other pet peeves. 1. Roofing and sheetmetal work, not a crew of half assed shingle nailers, but a guy who knows how to form and solder flashings at critical areas,instead of believing that every roof job is done with twenty pieces of off the shelf base flashing and a case of roofing cement. 2. A carpenter who knows how to install lap siding correctly , so that courses line up with the tops and bottoms of windows, instead of notching around them and looking like vinyl siding. 3.Trim guys who understand that it is their job to "produce" woodwork that is pleasing to the eye in all aspects...proportions, height alignments, spacing, visual relations to other building elements that are in front of, behind, or next to whatever they are installing, etc. This means you need more than a miter saw and a nail gun, and will have to do more than pick up any size of wood laying around and nail it somewhere. And the list could go on. Yes, I am admittedly anal retentive, and my handle "troubleseeker" describes my job look. Always looking to head off the "me first, screw everyone after me" attitude that will cause trouble for everyone that follows. Thanks for that guys, maybe I can skip counseling this week now
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Re: Shower Base
Thanks for the replies guys, now I have to present this to the customer in an educated manner. And be able to explain with absolute certainty, why this copper pan has to come out(if it does) if only to tar the bottom and create a sloped base for the copper pan. But when I put a flat bottomed pan on a sloped base isn't there a chance the pan will become distorted? The reason I say I need to be certain is knowing this HO he probably dished out a pretty penny for the copper without batting an eye. Also the plumber put a copper pan in an alcove in the wall(that will be used for soap, shampoo,etc.) But he screwed it right to the studs. Before the wall was waterproofed with tarpaper. That's what makes me think he was just throwing stuff in to make a buck.. Again this HO doesn't question anything. I keep telling him sometimes he needs to. Not with me though
just kidding.
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