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Old 10-24-2011, 08:37 PM   #1
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Im doing two tub surrounds for a general contractor and the idiots greenboarded and put a knockdown texture on the walls soo i was wondering if i could just sand the walls a little and Redguard or Hydra ban the walls. Normally i use hardiboard but i would rather not rip out the shiznit they installed.......Spanks
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Old 10-24-2011, 08:58 PM   #2
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Re: RedGard Vs Hydro Ban


I wouldn't put any tiling material directly over the compound. I'd either;
Sand off as much as possible and skim coat with thinset
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Sand off as much as possible and prime with a drywall compound sealer.

Then you can plop on the liquid membrane.

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two tub surrounds for a general contractor and the idiots greenboarded and put a knockdown texture on the walls
In remods you do your own.
In 'commercial', a lot of the times mexicans (drywallers) put up the substrates as the gc/builder can have them do it for less. Oh, and it sounds like something they'd do.

I'd tell the gc that as a tile professional, the ONLY way to rectify the situation that will save him the most money and inflate his bonus is for you to lightly sand it down and KERDI to whole ****ing thing. That'd be cheaper than having the 'drywall crew' send out a flunkie (for them lol) and/or wife to walk around clueless and make it worse.....

I don't miss commercial, but there certainly are some hilarious times I do.
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damn i didnt think about kerdi do you think that would bet better than rolling on redguard
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Can't afford the 20$ worth of sheetrock to just cut it out and start fresh?
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damn i didnt think about kerdi do you think that would bet better than rolling on redguard
Ask anyone and they'll tell you, kerdi is far better than redguard. Heck, I'll tell you that, but I hate redguard. Kerdi can be used in steam showers, so it's gotta be good stuff.

How'd you get this gig? Were the rockers mexicans? The latter is a serious question.....
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have no clue who the installers were but ive never had this problem with said contractor.....i will look it up but what is the prep needed for kerdi over raw sheet rock and mud
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$20 worth of sheet rock...ya thats all it would cost for two showers
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$20 worth of sheet rock...ya thats all it would cost for two showers
You'll have to do that if you go with kerdi.

This sounds like it's the GC's problem as you are all set to do your tile work on your tile job, but the GC's mexicans or the drywalling sub's mexicans did exactly as they were told--tho sometimes things do get lost in spanglish.

have the GC fix it. If you are a sub here, then that's the way to go. If you're an employee of the GC, then have him fix it and you do it.

If I were you, I'd pick another trade than tile, but then again, I was smearing thinset on ditra today and, well, gawd I hate that stuff.

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Pick another trade then tile? Shoot i could just mastic the tile to the wall and call it a day i was just wondering if anyone else has been in this situation...
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[QUOTE=CO762;1313320]In remods you do your own.
In 'commercial', a lot of the times mexicans (drywallers) put up the substrates as the gc/builder can have them do it for less. Oh, and it sounds like something they'd do.

THATS A ****TY THING FOR YOU TO SAY CO762 , MAYBE SOME FKN CRAKER DID IT ! .. a white meth head did , JIMMY CRACK CORN DID IT , Hill billy did..


remove the dry wall , charge them for it and install new hardybacker .. if you are a pro , that is wht you should be doing . and hydroban is the best way to go ..
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damn i didnt think about kerdi do you think that would bet better than rolling on redguard
You will have to do just as much prep to put up Kerdi as you would a liquid. Kerdi will be more expensive too.
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Angus, in the hydroban video on youtube they show them putting it straight over gypsum board without any primer
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THATS A ****TY THING FOR YOU TO SAY CO762
Could be--but highly accurate. I've worked with mexicans (mexicans--from mexico--here illegally in the US) since the mid 1990s and lived in their country a few times, so I know the culture and I know the people.

They take great pride in 'saving face', so they'll never admit they don't understand what you told them and/or they don't know how to do something. Thus, another old jobsite joke--"how do you know a mexican doesn't understand what you said? They're nodding 'yes' ".
If you understand spanish you can hear them being told/asking what they're supposed to do after the GC/lead/boss leaves--thus the joke.

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Pick another trade then tile?
Yeah, I would--got to do the other half of that ditra job this morning. I'd be an electrician--if I just knew how to do it, but I don't so back to ditra. Really, I hate that stuff.
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Re: RedGard Vs Hydro Ban


Is Redgard rated for use over drywall in a wet area? Is Hydroban?
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I have not seen Hydro Ban state it is not approved. In their literature, it says gypsum drywall is an approved surface in interior applications. However, I'm not in the blue army.

AquaDefense says gypsum drywall in interior applications is approved with limitations so I wouldn't use it in a shower with standard drywall.

I thought I read somewhere that Laticrete is cool with a skim coat and then Hydro Ban over drywall.

But from reading the original post, it says 2 tub surrounds. I'd feel comfy with the Hydro Ban prepped as I suggested.

andee....just call Laticrete and you'll have an official answer quickly. They will stand behind whatever they suggest
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andee....just call Laticrete and you'll have an official answer quickly. They will stand behind whatever they suggest
That much is certain.

I'd personally sand down the texture, prime, Kerdi, done.
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Can we leave the racial slurs somewhere else? WTF

This is acceptable conversation on CT Angus?

I bet the boarders where middle aged White Men half in the bag by 2:00 PM like you see all over the place. If the boarders did not understand how to do the job it is the fault of the GC or architect for not making things clear to begin with.

Nothing is approved over drywall for waterproofing. Kerdi says it can but local building codes state otherwise.

What's the big deal CO762? Can't you switch out the drywall for CBU? Or do you not touch anything a Mexican has. Why don't you share so thoughts on religion and politics for us.

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White, black, mexican.... anybody can learn a trade but most of the hacks that I see are 2nd generation white guys that try to follow their old mans footsteps and hide the fact that they're a degenerate drug user oh, and the other hacks always wine and complain, whoooah is me........

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