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Old 08-26-2017, 07:30 PM   #21
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This has to be a joke. No manufacturer would EVER approve this method. Grouts, while have similarities to mortar, are not essentially mortar. People spend years and tens of thousands of dollars to get degrees in chemical engineering to then get hired and paid tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of dollars to formulate products. Everything is measured and precisely formulated to give a specific end result.

This has got to be some of the most irresponsible advice I have seen on CT. You should NEVER add anything to any product that hasn't been tested and approved by the manufacturer.
Good Afternoon, sir. No, I'm afraid it was not a joke. My ex's father had a master's in landscape architecture, yet I can draw, draft, landscape AND identify plants better than he can. He check's the "Master's Degree" box, and I can barely qualify for the "some college". To each their own, but I don't put much faith in the institutions of higher education. Also, I don't know which grout manufacturer convinced you there's a team of scientists in some basement laboratory working around the clock to bring you a better grout, but I need to get their marketing firm's number.
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Old 08-26-2017, 07:53 PM   #22
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Again, to assure anyone who comes along and reads this, despite the number of respondents who THEORIZE that it's an unacceptable PRACTICE, but can't explain why, take a moment to consider this...

They've been making grout the same way for thousands of years. Graded sand, powdered metals for pigments, and cement. Powdered metals are a common source of pigmentation in paint. Anyone who has acrylic paints will recognize color names such as "Zinc yellow", "Cobalt Blue", Titanium White", etc... The sand and cement are obvious. See for yourself. Look at the MSDS of any grout brand, new or old. Virtually all sanded grouts will have these three things, and MAYBE one more ingredient... Guess what it is?

"Polymer" and acrylic are commonly added to many newer grouts. Why? Because it turns into a flexible, durable rubber-like material, like acrylic but not quite as strong as liquid-based acrylic. The upside of "Polymer" over "acrylic" is that it can be packaged as a powder - and then be reconstituted with water. Why all the quotation marks? Because Polymer is what we call powdered acrylic! They're the same thing.

Always do your own research. Don't count on others to be better informed than you - that's how an entire nation ends up insulated in asbestos.
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Good Afternoon, sir. No, I'm afraid it was not a joke. My ex's father had a master's in landscape architecture, yet I can draw, draft, landscape AND identify plants better than he can. He check's the "Master's Degree" box, and I can barely qualify for the "some college". To each their own, but I don't put much faith in the institutions of higher education. Also, I don't know which grout manufacturer convinced you there's a team of scientists in some basement laboratory working around the clock to bring you a better grout, but I need to get their marketing firm's number.
Unlike you I actually do find having a good education actually can make you smarter. I am sorry that your ex's father was a lousy landscape architect, but your argument proves nothing, other than you have a false sense of self.

As far as being convinced...I like to actually educate myself. One of the ways to educate yourself on these products is to get training from the manufacturers. You can also tour their faculties and meet these scientists that you think are imaginary.

I have attended and met many of their product developers. A few include: Mapei, Ardex, Custom Building, Bostik and Schluter. To hear them explain their products and how they work is pretty cool. To see all the testing and experimentation that goes into how they formulate helps an installer understand why it's important to mix and use the products in the manner they recommend.

I also belong to the NTCA: http://www.tile-assn.com/. Our installers will soon be CTI certified and will be completing their Certification classes. We attend their regional classes.

We also attend trade shows like KBIS.

Point is what you are doing IS NOT approved, nor would be approved, by any manufacturer. Trust me when I say that you are, 1) not at smart as you think and 2) are not smarter than the guys who dedicate their careers to formulating these products.

But keep adding house paint to your caulk, it makes no difference to me. What makes a difference is advising others, who are trying to better themselves and grow their businesses, to do something that is wrong.
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Again, to assure anyone who comes along and reads this, despite the number of respondents who THEORIZE that it's an unacceptable PRACTICE, but can't explain why, take a moment to consider this...

They've been making grout the same way for thousands of years. Graded sand, powdered metals for pigments, and cement. Powdered metals are a common source of pigmentation in paint. Anyone who has acrylic paints will recognize color names such as "Zinc yellow", "Cobalt Blue", Titanium White", etc... The sand and cement are obvious. See for yourself. Look at the MSDS of any grout brand, new or old. Virtually all sanded grouts will have these three things, and MAYBE one more ingredient... Guess what it is?

"Polymer" and acrylic are commonly added to many newer grouts. Why? Because it turns into a flexible, durable rubber-like material, like acrylic but not quite as strong as liquid-based acrylic. The upside of "Polymer" over "acrylic" is that it can be packaged as a powder - and then be reconstituted with water. Why all the quotation marks? Because Polymer is what we call powdered acrylic! They're the same thing.

Always do your own research. Don't count on others to be better informed than you - that's how an entire nation ends up insulated in asbestos.
All polymers are not created equal. Knowing the language and throwing around some Google knowledge isn't someone I would take advice from.

And it's not a theory that this is an unaccepted practice. Please show my where the NTCA, TCNA, ANSI or any manufacturer has approved your method.
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And what is the Fine Art trade? Who are you and who do you work for? I am an open book. My website and FB page are in my signature.
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As TNT knows, I'm not a stickler for using approved methods, but using whatever house paint is a bad idea. I tried this out using leftover unsanded grout and leftover paint a few years ago. There was huge, totally unacceptable shrinkage.
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I did specify sanded grout. At least you had the stones to try it - thanks for reporting your results. Now we know.

The IBC approved asbestos, but not cob, of which the oldest standing structures on earth are made from?


I work for myself doing whatever the heck I want, and I'd put my skills as a craftsman up against anyone's, any damn day. I'm not here to make this personal. Paint works, O' Pioneers.

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I did specify sanded grout. At least you had the stones to try it - thanks for reporting your results. Now we know.

The IBC approved asbestos, but not cob, of which the oldest standing structures on earth are made from?


I work for myself doing whatever the heck I want, and I'd put my skills as a craftsman up against anyone's, any damn day. I'm not here to make this personal. Paint works, O' Pioneers.
Like I said, I couldn't care less how you hack it up on your own jobs. But when you promote a completely unapproved method and use lame ass reasons to back it up, I am going to call you on it.

Unlike you, I work for my clients. I don't experiment on their homes. I use time tested and approved methods. Not to mention that there are much better ways to get custom grout colors.

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So are you going to reveal who you really are, what is your company name or your real trade?
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I work for myself doing whatever the heck I want, and I'd put my skills as a craftsman up against anyone's, any damn day.
In other words, you putter around your house, garage, shed and possibly properties you own. Good for you

Overbuilding under building finding quick solutions, that you the client approve, also good for you.

Difference between a pro and doing whatever you please, then being satisfied with it?

You, the Customer, won't withhold payment, litigate and sue you for poorly delivered services. Nor do you have a real world standard / reputation to uphold. The Professionals, trade specific professionals, here at CTalk uphold high industry standards to avoid all that BS and to get paid above any monkey can do it wages/earnings.

You, the OP, don't seem much like a professional contractor. in that regard.
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Regardless if mixing paint with grout works if I did it I couldn't help feeling like a dumbass doing it.
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https://laticrete.com/en/our-product...macolor-select

Lati has a product that will do what the original poster is asking. Note: if the solution was simply adding a paint to the grout mix they would have done it. They went through all the effort to color match paint with out using paint. If they could have engineered a solution (even using a specific formulation of paint) they would have. Now you can use paint and grout together but F%&$ED when it goes wrong.

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