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Old 08-26-2017, 08:30 PM   #21
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This has to be a joke. No manufacturer would EVER approve this method. Grouts, while have similarities to mortar, are not essentially mortar. People spend years and tens of thousands of dollars to get degrees in chemical engineering to then get hired and paid tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of dollars to formulate products. Everything is measured and precisely formulated to give a specific end result.

This has got to be some of the most irresponsible advice I have seen on CT. You should NEVER add anything to any product that hasn't been tested and approved by the manufacturer.
Good Afternoon, sir. No, I'm afraid it was not a joke. My ex's father had a master's in landscape architecture, yet I can draw, draft, landscape AND identify plants better than he can. He check's the "Master's Degree" box, and I can barely qualify for the "some college". To each their own, but I don't put much faith in the institutions of higher education. Also, I don't know which grout manufacturer convinced you there's a team of scientists in some basement laboratory working around the clock to bring you a better grout, but I need to get their marketing firm's number.
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Again, to assure anyone who comes along and reads this, despite the number of respondents who THEORIZE that it's an unacceptable PRACTICE, but can't explain why, take a moment to consider this...

They've been making grout the same way for thousands of years. Graded sand, powdered metals for pigments, and cement. Powdered metals are a common source of pigmentation in paint. Anyone who has acrylic paints will recognize color names such as "Zinc yellow", "Cobalt Blue", Titanium White", etc... The sand and cement are obvious. See for yourself. Look at the MSDS of any grout brand, new or old. Virtually all sanded grouts will have these three things, and MAYBE one more ingredient... Guess what it is?

"Polymer" and acrylic are commonly added to many newer grouts. Why? Because it turns into a flexible, durable rubber-like material, like acrylic but not quite as strong as liquid-based acrylic. The upside of "Polymer" over "acrylic" is that it can be packaged as a powder - and then be reconstituted with water. Why all the quotation marks? Because Polymer is what we call powdered acrylic! They're the same thing.

Always do your own research. Don't count on others to be better informed than you - that's how an entire nation ends up insulated in asbestos.
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Good Afternoon, sir. No, I'm afraid it was not a joke. My ex's father had a master's in landscape architecture, yet I can draw, draft, landscape AND identify plants better than he can. He check's the "Master's Degree" box, and I can barely qualify for the "some college". To each their own, but I don't put much faith in the institutions of higher education. Also, I don't know which grout manufacturer convinced you there's a team of scientists in some basement laboratory working around the clock to bring you a better grout, but I need to get their marketing firm's number.
Unlike you I actually do find having a good education actually can make you smarter. I am sorry that your ex's father was a lousy landscape architect, but your argument proves nothing, other than you have a false sense of self.

As far as being convinced...I like to actually educate myself. One of the ways to educate yourself on these products is to get training from the manufacturers. You can also tour their faculties and meet these scientists that you think are imaginary.

I have attended and met many of their product developers. A few include: Mapei, Ardex, Custom Building, Bostik and Schluter. To hear them explain their products and how they work is pretty cool. To see all the testing and experimentation that goes into how they formulate helps an installer understand why it's important to mix and use the products in the manner they recommend.

I also belong to the NTCA: http://www.tile-assn.com/. Our installers will soon be CTI certified and will be completing their Certification classes. We attend their regional classes.

We also attend trade shows like KBIS.

Point is what you are doing IS NOT approved, nor would be approved, by any manufacturer. Trust me when I say that you are, 1) not at smart as you think and 2) are not smarter than the guys who dedicate their careers to formulating these products.

But keep adding house paint to your caulk, it makes no difference to me. What makes a difference is advising others, who are trying to better themselves and grow their businesses, to do something that is wrong.
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Again, to assure anyone who comes along and reads this, despite the number of respondents who THEORIZE that it's an unacceptable PRACTICE, but can't explain why, take a moment to consider this...

They've been making grout the same way for thousands of years. Graded sand, powdered metals for pigments, and cement. Powdered metals are a common source of pigmentation in paint. Anyone who has acrylic paints will recognize color names such as "Zinc yellow", "Cobalt Blue", Titanium White", etc... The sand and cement are obvious. See for yourself. Look at the MSDS of any grout brand, new or old. Virtually all sanded grouts will have these three things, and MAYBE one more ingredient... Guess what it is?

"Polymer" and acrylic are commonly added to many newer grouts. Why? Because it turns into a flexible, durable rubber-like material, like acrylic but not quite as strong as liquid-based acrylic. The upside of "Polymer" over "acrylic" is that it can be packaged as a powder - and then be reconstituted with water. Why all the quotation marks? Because Polymer is what we call powdered acrylic! They're the same thing.

Always do your own research. Don't count on others to be better informed than you - that's how an entire nation ends up insulated in asbestos.
All polymers are not created equal. Knowing the language and throwing around some Google knowledge isn't someone I would take advice from.

And it's not a theory that this is an unaccepted practice. Please show my where the NTCA, TCNA, ANSI or any manufacturer has approved your method.
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And what is the Fine Art trade? Who are you and who do you work for? I am an open book. My website and FB page are in my signature.
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As TNT knows, I'm not a stickler for using approved methods, but using whatever house paint is a bad idea. I tried this out using leftover unsanded grout and leftover paint a few years ago. There was huge, totally unacceptable shrinkage.
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I did specify sanded grout. At least you had the stones to try it - thanks for reporting your results. Now we know.

The IBC approved asbestos, but not cob, of which the oldest standing structures on earth are made from?


I work for myself doing whatever the heck I want, and I'd put my skills as a craftsman up against anyone's, any damn day. I'm not here to make this personal. Paint works, O' Pioneers.

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I did specify sanded grout. At least you had the stones to try it - thanks for reporting your results. Now we know.

The IBC approved asbestos, but not cob, of which the oldest standing structures on earth are made from?


I work for myself doing whatever the heck I want, and I'd put my skills as a craftsman up against anyone's, any damn day. I'm not here to make this personal. Paint works, O' Pioneers.
Like I said, I couldn't care less how you hack it up on your own jobs. But when you promote a completely unapproved method and use lame ass reasons to back it up, I am going to call you on it.

Unlike you, I work for my clients. I don't experiment on their homes. I use time tested and approved methods. Not to mention that there are much better ways to get custom grout colors.

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So are you going to reveal who you really are, what is your company name or your real trade?
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I work for myself doing whatever the heck I want, and I'd put my skills as a craftsman up against anyone's, any damn day.
In other words, you putter around your house, garage, shed and possibly properties you own. Good for you

Overbuilding under building finding quick solutions, that you the client approve, also good for you.

Difference between a pro and doing whatever you please, then being satisfied with it?

You, the Customer, won't withhold payment, litigate and sue you for poorly delivered services. Nor do you have a real world standard / reputation to uphold. The Professionals, trade specific professionals, here at CTalk uphold high industry standards to avoid all that BS and to get paid above any monkey can do it wages/earnings.

You, the OP, don't seem much like a professional contractor. in that regard.
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Regardless if mixing paint with grout works if I did it I couldn't help feeling like a dumbass doing it.
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https://laticrete.com/en/our-product...macolor-select

Lati has a product that will do what the original poster is asking. Note: if the solution was simply adding a paint to the grout mix they would have done it. They went through all the effort to color match paint with out using paint. If they could have engineered a solution (even using a specific formulation of paint) they would have. Now you can use paint and grout together but F%&$ED when it goes wrong.
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I have been mixing epoxy driveway paint with grout for 15 years and it works great makes a stain-proof grout. Don't bother asking just try it yourself and never have discolored grout again.
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I have been mixing epoxy driveway paint with grout for 15 years and it works great makes a stain-proof grout. Don't bother asking just try it yourself and never have discolored grout again.
Yeah, why not be a hack and try untested things on people's houses.

This is a perfect example of why contractors get a bad name.
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Yeah, why not be a hack and try untested things in people's houses.

This is a perfect example of why contractors get a bad name.
The first time I saw epoxy grout was working on hospital showers were porous grout is unsanitary and cannot be used. The first time I saw a latex product used with tile was working for lazy days RV's. The latex was added to the thinset and the grout to create a flexible bond were regular thinset and grout mixes made with water would crack. I have also seen other contractors use 100% silicon to set and grout tile in RV's. Also in rehabilitation facilities with showers have used 100% latex mixed with grout. So if you work a trade it is imperative that you know about all technics and products for all applications if not your a hack lol. Not understanding this is obviously your fallacy and confirms you are a hack LMFAO.

I encourage anyone reading these comical threads where people with narcissistic personality and very little knowledge persist on being right just google grout and thinset additives then you will discover there are acrylic, latex, urethane, and epoxy mixes made for sanded and unsanded grout used by qualified contractors.

As far as my own experience with the epoxy driveway paint mixed with sanded grout worked great for my outdoor patio and I already had left over epoxy paint so I figured since you can mix latex acrylic and urethanes and epoxy's with grout the epoxy driveway paint was a no-brainer and almost 2 decades later it is still stained free and looks great.

PS there are people from other countries reading in this forum so if your not a contractor and you have no knowledge on the subject don't be ignorant and let your narcissism speak for you it makes Americans look uninformed and uneducated.
also, don't assume I do residential work I don't waste my time for peanuts I only do commercial work with the occasional exception of mosaic tile in custom pools. I leave the residential work alone so hacks like you can try to make a living.

TNTSERVICES and you Mr. Hack are the reasons residential contractors get a bad name. Up your game Mr. Hack and grow your business and enter into the commercial market where one mistake cost your business or stay in the low paying residential market where you can do your half ass work for a lifetime and never lose your business.

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The first time I saw epoxy grout was working on hospital showers were porous grout is unsanitary and cannot be used. The first time I saw a latex product used with tile was working for lazy days RV's. The latex was added to the thinset and the grout to create a flexible bond were regular thinset and grout mixes made with water would crack. I have also seen other contractors use 100% silicon to set and grout tile in RV's. Also in rehabilitation facilities with showers have used 100% latex mixed with grout. So if you work a trade it is imperative that you know about all technics and products for all applications if not your a hack lol. Not understanding this is obviously your fallacy and confirms you are a hack LMFAO.

All of those methods are approved products and methods. Epoxy grout is formulated. It's not adding driveway epoxy to grout. Latex additives are designed to be used in grout. Silicone is also designed to be used with certain grouts. Adding latex paint or driveway epoxy to grout is hackery.

I encourage anyone reading these comical threads where people with narcissistic personality and very little knowledge persist on being right just google grout and thinset additives then you will discover there are acrylic, latex, urethane, and epoxy mixes made for sanded and unsanded grout used by qualified contractors.

Please find me a single manufacturer that approves adding epoxy driveway paint to grout and I will gladly admit my error in calling it out as hackery. What's comical is jokers saying try it out when it has not been approved by any manufacturer.

As far as my own experience with the epoxy driveway paint mixed with sanded grout worked great for my outdoor patio and I already had left over epoxy paint so I figured since you can mix latex acrylic and urethanes and epoxy's with grout the epoxy driveway paint was a no-brainer and almost 2 decades later it is still stained free and looks great.

See, you figured. That's the problem. You figured you could do something. Almost 2 decades or 15 years as you stated earlier. I am confused. Which is it?

PS there are people from other countries reading in this forum so if your not a contractor and you have no knowledge on the subject don't be ignorant and let your narcissism speak for you it makes Americans look uninformed and uneducated.

Lol...so all you have is lame insults. I couldn't care less what you or anyone else thinks about me. I am not Obama caring what they world thinks.

also, don't assume I do residential work I don't waste my time for peanuts I only do commercial work with the occasional exception of mosaic tile in custom pools. I leave the residential work alone so hacks like you can try to make a living.

Lol...So which is it. You insinuate I am not a contractor and then try and insult residential contractors. You are barking up the wrong tree my friend. Just because you aren't smart enough to find profitable residential work, doesn't mean that it's not profitable.
I see a ton of commercial work. Chit slapped on the walls with no care. Just visit any office, mall, gas station, arena and you will see sloppy ass commercial work.


TNTSERVICES and you Mr. Hack are the reasons residential contractors get a bad name. Up your game Mr. Hack and grow your business and enter into the commercial market where one mistake cost your business or stay in the low paying residential market where you can do your half ass work for a lifetime and never lose your business.
My website and Facebook page are on my signature line. You can repeat the same boring tired insults, but let's see your work. Let's see your site. Put up or STFU.
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As a lowlife residential contractor I prefer Sir Hack.
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My website and Facebook page are on my signature line. You can repeat the same boring tired insults, but let's see your work. Let's see your site. Put up or STFU.
You have to be a millennial there is no other explanation for your blatant lack of knowledge. What are the three compounds found in latex paint?
Latex, Titanium dioxide, silica the exact ingredients found in latex additive for mortar so you really dont have to be a rocket scientist to understand they are compatable. Epoxy paint is a little different than latex paint it has Nepheline Syenite witch is used as a filler when making porcelain tile Amine salt which is a water proofing agent used in grout sealers Ethylene glycol which is used in tile grout Titanium Dioxide which is used in latex motor additive Dipropylene glycol which is used in epoxy grout Alcohols c12-14 also used in grout sealer Dipropylene glycol also used in grout sealer 2-diethylaminoethanol witch is a curing agent found in epoxy grout products. So every single compound found in epoxy driveway paint is also found in grout and grout sealant and epoxy grout. working with so many commercial products gives one vast knowledge of those products.

You should care more about what people think about America especially after your president Obama made us look like idiots if you don't care what people think about America then that is blatantly selfish and a sing of Narcissism.

PS it was actually 2001 so it was almost 17 years ago so yes almost two decades LMFAO

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