New "rules" For Laying 12x24 Tiles From Olympia Tile

 
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Old 10-10-2011, 08:52 AM   #1
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New "rules" For Laying 12x24 Tiles From Olympia Tile


I was in Olympia Tile this week with a client picking tile for her bathroom. I asked one of the sales people for a sample board for some 12x24 tile and he handed me a sheet showing the recommended ways to lay the tile (I'm referring to layout, not actual setting).
And, btw, these tiles were going to be installed on the wall, which I normally install like subway tile - half bond

The sheet showed two acceptable ways:
Stacked - all grout lines "line" up and a 70/30 bond install.
On the bottom they show a half bond installation and it is NOT recommended.

I asked why and was informed that 12x24 tiles are warped and installing them half bond style will result in lippage.

Hmmm, I've done quite a few jobs using 12x24 tiles from olympia, always installed them half bond, never a problem. I did however run into this issue with some 10x16 tiles from olympia last fall and, after losing a couple of days and driving to Toronto (going through 20 pallets of the same tile which were ALL warped) ended up switching tile.

I'm assuming Olympia now has a LOT of warped tile in stock and this is their answer to the problem.

Anyone else ever run into this?

Oh, they also have a 24x48 porcelain tile...makes me wonder how flat it is!
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:09 AM   #2
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Re: New "rules" For Laying 12x24 Tiles From Olympia Tile


I have seen some 12x24's that are straight as an arrow and some not so much.

When i deliver tiles I check them and then have the tile guy check them and if they are too warped we bring it to the attention of the client and would recommend a straight lay.

I havent had a job yet where we couldnt do running bond.

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The new spec is an industry standard.

Across the board and relates to all large format tile.

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The TCNA endorses the same methods that Olympia Tile is recommending.
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John and angus, thanks for the heads up!
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I'm guessing the moral of the story is that manufacture's have not figured out a way to produce flat tiles consistently?
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that is correct Mr. Wipple!
It is one of the things that the Contractors group was pushing for .With a 50% off set it puts the low ends to the high warp..*(or versa visa) Its ment to be one of those items that you can point out to Specifiers that it MAY NOT WORK with a 50% off set.(for warned)
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I'm guessing the moral of the story is that manufacture's have not figured out a way to produce flat tiles consistently?
Yes, I was at a conference with Gerald Sloan and Eric Astrachan from the TCNA which basically said that. The larger the tile, the harder it is to get them flat.
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lol. Now ya tell me. I called that "cuppage" (cup meets lip) and when ya roll something across it, it thunk thunk thunk. Some folks didn't mind it, just like some folks like ungauged material.
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that is correct Mr. Wipple!...
W.H.I.P.P.L.E. Whipple with a "H"

Eric what is the heat rating of Noble Seal TS for steam showers?
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W.H.I.P.P.L.E. Whipple with a "H"

Eric what is the heat rating of Noble Seal TS for steam showers?
He's just getting you back for all the Nobel you posted
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I only allow myself so many key strokes a day and thought I could save 1 but No...H .back to even.
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I would just let the customer know and give them the option... either way the floor/wall will be wavy
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Why can't they grade them accordingly? Depending on desired layout choose appropriate grade. To hard on manufacturer?

Make setters job more difficult me thinks. Pass the buck as usual..

I dug through a bunch of 6's last week to get consistent tile. They really were that bad.
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I believe the kiln process warps the tile. The larger the tile, the more warping occurs.
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i just finished up a 12 x 24 with 50% and had no problem at all. it was florida tile. i'll snap a pic and post it tomorrow
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Looks flat to me
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I have found that taking a 2' to the tiles before a decision is made can give me a good answer. It clearly shows if there is cuppage or not. The tile that I come across this most with these days is a rectified 12x24 with a grain that looks like paint. They are always cupped.


Also, since the TCNA handbook said that 30 percent offset is recommended, I do that. I tell the customer that I can do the 50 percent, but there will probably be lippage.

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Aaron, that's a great way to check your tile. I used it on some 4x36 and found 3/16 curvature from the center point. Had to change the layout to prevent "washboard" look. Never hurts to check.

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