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10-09-2007, 05:07 PM
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tile designer
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tile design & installation
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4 parts moist sand to 1 part type II portland cement
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10-09-2007, 05:58 PM
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Pro
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Bud,
I know there is a workable range, but isn't Deckmud usually 5:1 or 5 parts sand to 1 part Portland?
Kirk
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10-09-2007, 09:24 PM
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Tile Contractor
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Building Trades-Specializing in Ceramic Tile
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hastings Nebraska
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Depends on who you talk to! 4:1 - 5:1, what's one little scoop of sand amongst friends? 
Five-to-one will certainly work but in my experience if the area is large and there will be a lot of movement on the raw surface after it is set-up (prior to tiling) then 5:1 is a little too sandy for my liking.
Four-to-one will shave the same as five-to-one and be a little stronger and durable during the tile installation.
It's your choice.
Besides, that information was written with the DIY'er in mind and assumes a one-time first-time project. 
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07-17-2008, 05:49 PM
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Dustin
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Gen. Construction
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Location: Overland Park ks
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Bud pretty much covered it with his post.
In a very basic explanation. Thinset is the combination of silica sand, portland, and either a dry or wet polymer (wich is water or resin based). If you buy the bags with the dry polymer you mix with water. If you buy the bags without the dry, you mix the polymer or resin. Polymer in a concentrated format smalls and is as thick as glue, if you let it dry, it becomes clear and rubbery. (you never use it in the concentrated form) When you buy it at the store it's already watered down. I use to buy concentrated polymer, same as what's in some tile mixes, for decorative concrete overlays. That way I did have to pay for water weight when it was shipped in. Problem is, you had to buy it by the 55 gal drum, that makes 110 gals of mix. That's a lot. 
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05-17-2009, 10:28 AM
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New Guy
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Tile Contractor, specializing in Stone work
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Location: Westminster, CO
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You guys for got about DryPack....in the Southern Ca area shower pan floors are all done in DryPack. Usually mixed 5-1 washed plaster sand and common cement and not much water. The test was grab a handful and clinch your fist then open your hand...if it stays together you have enough water. Heck we used to do all floors with DryPack before cement board hit the market.
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05-17-2009, 12:38 PM
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Tile Contractor
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Building Trades-Specializing in Ceramic Tile
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Location: Hastings Nebraska
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Didn't forget at all.....
DECK MUD is the same thing. Deck mud is for those that don't have to have a pre-packaged product to figure out how to do it.
Last edited by Bud Cline; 10-27-2009 at 08:25 PM.
Reason: spelling
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05-17-2009, 01:14 PM
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New Guy
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Tile Contractor, specializing in Stone work
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Location: Westminster, CO
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Cool...I have always called it DryPack.
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08-29-2009, 08:33 PM
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Registered User
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windows and doors tile
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Well mud is the only way to go in my book better bond tile to mud with thinset. Plus you get to form the floor level if u want
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10-27-2009, 08:38 AM
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Registered User
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Stone Tiles and Architectural Stone supplier
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slate floor tiles
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10-27-2009, 11:23 AM
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tile contractor
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Ceramic and stone tile contractor
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Location: Bridgton, Maine
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Ummmm...... yeah, right! Slate floor tiles-- they're a beautiful thing! 
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01-21-2010, 02:41 PM
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Tile And Stone Contractor
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Marble, Tile & Stone
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Location: Atlanta, Georgia, 30327, 30067
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30-35 shovels of sand per 100#'s Portland type I cement
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01-26-2010, 08:23 AM
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Pro
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Tile installations
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StoneHorseTile
30-35 shovels of sand per 100#'s Portland type I cement
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That should be enough for a shower pan. 
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01-26-2010, 11:50 AM
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tile contractor
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Ceramic and stone tile contractor
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Bridgton, Maine
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Have you seen some of the shower pans at John's site???
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01-26-2010, 03:41 PM
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Tile And Stone Contractor
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Marble, Tile & Stone
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Location: Atlanta, Georgia, 30327, 30067
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Quote:
Originally Posted by R&D Tile
That should be enough for a shower pan. |
I know, right? That would be one awful deep shower floor mud bed!!! 
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