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Old 03-23-2016, 11:12 AM   #81
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Yes you can rabbet the Wedi panels. We were shown to do that for using over a molded shower pan or tub, to fit down over the tiling flanges.
Just wondering.
Do you use a utility knife to rabbit it out. Same for cutting out circles. I've looked at videos. But its like magic they never show cutting out circles or irregular shapes. The installer just appears with the wedi in hand. I have a wall that is L shaped and 3 water outlets . 1 is oval too boot. If it was drywall I'd pull out the roto zip on the L and plunge cut the circles.
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Just wondering.
Do you use a utility knife to rabbit it out. Same for cutting out circles. I've looked at videos. But its like magic they never show cutting out circles or irregular shapes. The installer just appears with the wedi in hand. I have a wall that is L shaped and 3 water outlets . 1 is oval too boot. If it was drywall I'd pull out the roto zip on the L and plunge cut the circles.
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Do you use a utility knife to rabbit it out. Same for cutting out circles. I've looked at videos. But its like magic they never show cutting out circles or irregular shapes. The installer just appears with the wedi in hand. I have a wall that is L shaped and 3 water outlets . 1 is oval too boot. If it was drywall I'd pull out the roto zip on the L and plunge cut the circles.
Yep, cuts easily with a razor knife, could also do the roto zip if you wanted for the circles.
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137.00 a 4 x 8 sheet. Unbelievable, I know we had this conversation but...

Worried about doing waterproof showers by avoiding heavy cement boards that scratch stuff and liquid membranes that are messy and not one of the 10 tilers I spoke with in the last 3 months do anything other than cement alone. Maybe liquid in a niche, bench or bottom 2 ft of a shower. All well known guys in the area.
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137.00 a 4 x 8 sheet. Unbelievable, I know we had this conversation but...

Worried about doing waterproof showers by avoiding heavy cement boards that scratch stuff and liquid membranes that are messy and not one of the 10 tilers I spoke with in the last 3 months do anything other than cement alone. Maybe liquid in a niche, bench or bottom 2 ft of a shower. All well known guys in the area.
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It relatively new, so most tile contractors are not using it yet. They don't see the benefits yet. $137 a sheet is not what you should be paying. Find a ProSource or other tile distributor who will give you better pricing.

The labor you will save along with being able to carry 5-7 4x8 sheets at a time will make you a believer in seconds.

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Its really not new at all. Not sure if it was you that was paying $92 a sheet but I can only find two places with in an hour that have it.

Its not being a believer, I want to use it. Its selling it. Nobody is having problems not doing waterproofing. And by going this route your saying you dont trust the other waterproof elements like impervious porcelain or power grouts.
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How are people paying more for Kerdi than the price book retail? 2015 $116.54 for a 1/2" sheet.

I pay $88 on a new account I just set up.

As everyone else says, being able to walk in one trip with all the board, a knife in your back pocket, and a small drill on your hip, install a whole shower in 45 minutes, and walk out with all the scrap in a single round trip is worth a lot. No cement board dust to sweet or vacuum.

The rest of the benefits are easy to sell to the customer, especially if their existing shower had rot behind the cbu.

That said, I don't like their curbs at all. I've heard rumors of a curb with pre-attached kerdi. Might be better.
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Its really not new at all. Not sure if it was you that was paying $92 a sheet but I can only find two places with in an hour that have it.

Its not being a believer, I want to use it. Its selling it. Nobody is having problems not doing waterproofing. And by going this route your saying you dont trust the other waterproof elements like impervious porcelain or power grouts.
It's only hit the residential market here in the past 10 years. That's relatively new if you ask me.

There are no huge problems not waterproofing the entire surround, but there are long term issues that it eliminates. Selling it to HO is easy. I just don't give them a choice. I tell them this is what I do and why. I just tore out a Durock only shower. Rot every where. Those pictures will make me thousands.

I trust tile, but not grout, any grout. It has to be 100% perfect for it to be nearly water tight. It also doesn't account for condensation between the tile and substrate.
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How are people paying more for Kerdi than the price book retail? 2015 $116.54 for a 1/2" sheet.

I pay $88 on a new account I just set up.

As everyone else says, being able to walk in one trip with all the board, a knife in your back pocket, and a small drill on your hip, install a whole shower in 45 minutes, and walk out with all the scrap in a single round trip is worth a lot. No cement board dust to sweet or vacuum.

The rest of the benefits are easy to sell to the customer, especially if their existing shower had rot behind the cbu.

That said, I don't like their curbs at all. I've heard rumors of a curb with pre-attached kerdi. Might be better.
Your paying $50 a board cheaper is huge. Your lucky
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How are people paying more for Kerdi than the price book retail? 2015 $116.54 for a 1/2" sheet.

I pay $88 on a new account I just set up.

As everyone else says, being able to walk in one trip with all the board, a knife in your back pocket, and a small drill on your hip, install a whole shower in 45 minutes, and walk out with all the scrap in a single round trip is worth a lot. No cement board dust to sweet or vacuum.

The rest of the benefits are easy to sell to the customer, especially if their existing shower had rot behind the cbu.

That said, I don't like their curbs at all. I've heard rumors of a curb with pre-attached kerdi. Might be better.
At the last Innovative Workshop I attended they said the curbs were being dropped from the line. They recommended using 2" Kerdiboard to fabricate the curb. I use the balance of the board to fabricate benches and knee walls.

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Is there a better value when going to a fundo kit? Only thing I see is the kits tend to not cover boards if tiling all the way to the ceiling. So then your adding boards to the kit.
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Is there a better value when going to a fundo kit? Only thing I see is the kits tend to not cover boards if tiling all the way to the ceiling. So then your adding boards to the kit.
Scluter kerdi says to go just over the showerhead. You could save the last foot of foamboard by using another backer material. But then it's still labor vs. material.
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Been using schluter system for 3 years now. I've never had a call back. I used hardie backer and red guard with dripack for 6 years before that. I had 2 call backs in those 6 years. Both methods are very reliable if done correctly.
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I am kinda rethinking Kerdi Board. Compared to Wedi it's a joke with all the Kerdi band and having to deal with the corners. Wedi looks like a winner. The pans easily integrate. You can integrate ARC pans with ease.

Anyone's thought on Denshield? I've used it a few times and liked it. I was considering sealing the ends like Wedi does and just going that route. Consistent product and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
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We installed wedi on one of our last customs and we have another lined up shortly. The ease of installation is great. Our rep has thicker wedi panels that can be used for benches so we'll be trying that out too.
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Doing another Wedi this month. And going to another Wedi workshop later this month. I was told they have some new things out, one of which is a base for zero threshold. Apparently it's lower on the edges than the Fundo pan and is made to go on top of joists, though you need to fill in between the joists blocking and plywood flush to top of joists. Too bad I didn't find that out a couple weeks ago, I installed two of the ARC Tuff Forms for a customer. The drain changes would have been simpler.

I still don't have pricing for 4x8 sheets since Daltile doesn't stock them, they don't want to have to stock the larger size. Too bad on this next one since it's a 4'x4' shower and will be using 3'x5' panels.
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I traditionally have always used dense shield. If care is taken handle the seams and you dont beat up the edges its cheap and easy. Your also allowed to use liquid to repair it. I use fabric around windows and inside corners embedded in liquid.

Thing is its not ideal for built in benches and stuff.

Still like the idea of these foam boards.....very pricey though. The 4x6 fundo kit was like 1200.
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I am kinda rethinking Kerdi Board. Compared to Wedi it's a joke with all the Kerdi band and having to deal with the corners. Wedi looks like a winner. The pans easily integrate. You can integrate ARC pans with ease.

Anyone's thought on Denshield? I've used it a few times and liked it. I was considering sealing the ends like Wedi does and just going that route. Consistent product and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
Welcome to the club! Wedi is more installer friendly.

Denshield : I tried it once for tub area but sealed the edges with BIN. Didn't care for it. Can't be used for the curb. Not a great product with mudbed install either.
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Welcome to the club! Wedi is more installer friendly.

Denshield : I tried it once for tub area but sealed the edges with BIN. Didn't care for it. Can't be used for the curb. Not a great product with mudbed install either.
I would use the Kerdi or Wedi pans and crubs, but Denshield for the walls. I have used it before, but didn't like the seams not being sealed between each other.

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EDIT: And if Schluter would just allow you to use Kerdi Fix in the same way, it would be so much easier.

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