First Time With Denshield.

TNTSERVICES · 03-11-2013, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tenon0774

Ah, Hey Rob...

"The idea is still solid to waterproof he entire surface of the DenShield."

"The surface is water proof except for the seams and the screw holes. Those have to be waterproofed. Sure, you can roll the dice and hope that the AD is perfect around each hole and seam, or you can roll the whole wall and never have to worry. It is a solid sheet of AD.

It's really not that difficult of a concept. It doesn't take much more time or material. And you only need one coat to do the trick."

...

"but since DS is already waterproofed it is not needed, IMO."

...so which is it?

Taken out of context, sure it looks inconsistent, however the last statement is in reference to multiple coats of AD over DS. The former statements were in regards to ensuring at least one solid coat of waterproofing.

I'll explain again. Dabbing over screws and cover the corners leaves edges that are all areas of weakness, giving at least one solid coat ensures that you have a solid sheet of waterproofing.

Since the majority of the sheet of DS already has multiple layers of waterproofing, additional coats of AD are nice but IMO not needed to ensure one solid coat of coverage.

I didn't say that Matt was wrong, just called it how I saw it, as over kill at that point.

So I choose, both ways under my intended context.

tenon0774 · 03-11-2013, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TNTSERVICES

I am talking about over DS not CBU. I also coat until it is solid over CBU, but since DS is already waterproofed it is not needed, IMO.

...solid meaning 3-4 coats ?

got it.

JazMan · 03-11-2013, 09:41 PM

When you guys have some time you should go to the GP site and read the installation manual. Read the whole thing but pay special attention to page 7 DS002. Continue to page 8 DS004 and study how they want you to do a shower seat. Notice you have to apply a waterproofing system over Dens for the seat. Item "F". Then what? Where does F stop? Ridiculous I think.

While you're scrolling down to page 13 to find the approved waterproofing systems, take a look at the other shower sketches, DS007 Makes my head spin and makes no sense to me.

Jaz

olzo55 · 03-11-2013, 10:03 PM

Jaz,

I've fixed curbs that had denshield buried into the mudbed. Sucks up the water like.....drywall. Shocking, I know.

I use cbd + membrane(liquid or sheet) or wedi for curbs. I haven't used a wrapped curb product like wedi curb,yet.

AquaD wants two coats min. for corners then seal main area. That's 3 coats. The first coat dries fast because it soaks in. The next coat(s) take longer. Not too bad if you have other stuff to do there.

TNTSERVICES · 03-11-2013, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tenon0774

...solid meaning 3-4 coats ?

got it.

If that's what you feel is solid, sure. But just covering the holes and corners is not solid.

bowtie · 03-11-2013, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TNTSERVICES

Then you have a poor memory:

"Why would you re-water proof a water-proof material?"

Unless I missed something in the 1st grade, beginning a sentence with "why" and ending it with a question mark constitutes a question. You asked the question after the answer to it.

Sorry ...

I assumed you knew what a rhetorical question was, in the future I will keep that in mind ...

sycamorebob · 03-11-2013, 10:11 PM

These are from my last shower. Densshield Fiberfuse Aqua-D

TNTSERVICES · 03-11-2013, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bowtie

Sorry ...

I assumed you knew what a rhetorical question was, in the future I will keep that in mind ...

It did not qualify as rhetorical. Apparently I am not the one who needs to learn. The question was in opposition to my point. How could that be considered RHETORICAL?

JazMan · 03-11-2013, 10:20 PM

Olzo,

As we all know the curb is usually the first sight of failure. Even old fashioned mud jobs are often not done right and that's the 1st to fail. I'm semi-retired and so I choose the jobs I wanna do. I could care less for people who's only desire is to get it done cheap. I have only done Kerdi showers since '05. There's no better method. Cheaper, faster, yes, but not better. IMO.

Jaz

oldfrt · 03-11-2013, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TNTSERVICES

Then you have a poor memory:

And while it is not called for by the manufacturer, necessity is based on perspective. Necessary per the manufacturer? No. Necessary to ensure a solid coat of waterproofing, Yes. IMO.

And I don't have an issue with any of it, just stating my opinion on the subject. If you have a problem with that, start your own private forum and don't invite any one with a different opinion.

Opinion,huh???
How can you expect anyone to consider your opinion without facts?
After all Rob,aren't you all about the facts.......... and proof?

Show us the facts and proof and maybe we'll consider your opinion, or
anything you say,to be worthy of any consideration.

Just saying....................

bowtie · 03-11-2013, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TNTSERVICES

It did not qualify as rhetorical. Apparently I am not the one who needs to learn. The question was in opposition to my point. How could that be considered RHETORICAL?

I'm done, have a pleasant evening ..

TNTSERVICES · 03-11-2013, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by oldfrt

Opinion,huh???
How can you expect anyone to consider your opinion without facts?
After all Rob,aren't you all about the facts.......... and proof?

Show us the facts and proof and maybe we'll consider your opinion, or
anything you say,to be worthy of any consideration.

Just saying....................

Can we say bitter? You'll get over it someday.

But here's the difference, I called it my opinion, you my friend call your opinions facts, and continue to repeat it even though it has been proven to not be true. I never claimed the manufacture said to do it this way, nor claimed that it was the best way. Just my way to ensure it is a solid coat. Oh, and others agreed. So by your standard, since others agreed or had similar stories it must be true. So I guess theirs the proof that you demand.

And what's better proof than a guy who I have been butting heads with lately. That's gotta count for something.

Nice way to try and hijack a thread. Maybe now that you got that off your chest you can contribute to the topic.

TNTSERVICES · 03-11-2013, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bowtie

I'm done, have a pleasant evening ..

charimon · 03-12-2013, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JazMan

When using liquid membrane, does anyone use a film gauge? Anyone have one? Do you guys just apply a coat and call it good? Talking about regular CBU now.

Jaz

always

Inner10 · 03-12-2013, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by charimon

always

Sorry Craig that's a redguard gauge it isn't manufacturer approved for aqua defense.

CO762 · 03-12-2013, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cleveman

How can 3 ribs be enough for 2 people?

Country style pork loin ribs. Three of them weighed about 2lbs.

CO762 · 03-12-2013, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JazMan

What's the alarm about that? You can use most CBU's on curbs as long as you apply a waterproofing membrane over them.

I'm alarmed about anything I don't do...because it makes me afraid.

astor · 03-14-2013, 07:47 PM

I always use real bricks on curbs, Noble TS over it,done. More work maybe but ..Never trusted that green TL ch**. never used CB over it neither...

astor · 03-14-2013, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JazMan

Olzo,

There's no better method. Cheaper, faster, yes, but not better. IMO.

Jaz

I respectfully disagree....Noble TS is not cheaper, not faster but better because the thicker is better..(no pun intended)

bowtie · 03-17-2013, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by astor

I always use real bricks on curbs, Noble TS over it,done. More work maybe but ..Never trusted that green TL ch**. never used CB over it neither...

My curbs are concrete, I wouldn't trust anything but masonry of some sort, like you said, more work but then they never fail either .....

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