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Old 06-28-2012, 09:28 AM   #1
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I was thinking about this...dens shield looks just like dens armor but with the addition of some blue/grey water proofing stuff smeared on the back.

After I painted waterproofing on the screws, seams, niche, etc. There isn't a lot of space left un painted and I have half a bucket of red guard.

Wouldn't it have been more cost effective for me to use Dens Armour and painted the whole enchilada in liquid membrane?
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Depends on the price difference between

DensShield vs DensArmor.

Around my area, DensArmor is almost extinct. The search trying to find a stocking distributor makes it no longer a viable options for me to use.

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I think Dens Armor would suck up more waterproofing.

I used it for a 1/2 bath some time back after hearing the colonel and others talk about it. I was very satisfied with it and I think it is tougher than Densshield.

I'm not sure why it didn't catch on. There are a lot of things I don't understand.
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There is tonnes of it here, it's used to sheath the exterior of most non combustible builds. It's about 25 bucks a sheet, dens sheild is 40 IIRC.
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There is tonnes of it here, it's used to sheath the exterior of most non combustible builds. It's about 25 bucks a sheet, dens sheild is 40 IIRC.
Are you sure that's not DensGlass you're talking about?
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Are you sure that's not DensGlass you're talking about?
That is exactly what I'm talking about...my bad.
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This is Denshield in the picture.
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One of the things I like about densshield is that when you spread mortar on it, it doesn't suck all the moisture out. I did a bath floor last week on permabase or something like that, and even after I sponged it and sponged it, it still dried out the mortar very quickly.
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One of the things I like about densshield is that when you spread mortar on it, it doesn't suck all the moisture out. I did a bath floor last week on permabase or something like that, and even after I sponged it and sponged it, it still dried out the mortar very quickly.
Just love the workability of it in general and finally I can get the 8' sheets here so less joins in a typical shower than using the wee 4' sheets.
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So is it just DensGlass with waterproofing smeared on one side?
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So is it just DensGlass with waterproofing smeared on one side?
It also has a vapor barrier on the back (yellow side). If installing in an exterior wall with poly vapor barrier you're supposed to remove the poly so as not to get condensation issues by the way
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It also has a vapor barrier on the back (yellow side). If installing in an exterior wall with poly vapor barrier you're supposed to remove the poly so as not to get condensation issues by the way
I've never seen anyone remove the vapor barrier when using dens shield, couldn't imagine that passing inspection...but it's not exactly my area of expertise by a long shot...

So like I was saying is DensShield just DensGlass with waterproofing?
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I've never seen anyone remove the vapor barrier when using dens shield, couldn't imagine that passing inspection...but it's not exactly my area of expertise by a long shot...

So like I was saying is DensShield just DensGlass with waterproofing?
This has more specifics on exactly what it is ... http://www.gp.com/build/documentview...elementid=4284
And about 2/3 of the way down page 6 it does state not to have a vapor barrier behind the Denshield on an exterior wall. I had an inspector ask me about this once .. I showed him what it said on the label stuck on the front of each sheet and he shrugged and said fine then. Basically it has it's own vapor barrier.

It's essentially a water resistant gypsum sandwich between 2 glass fibre sheets with other ingredients for waterproofing.
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This has more specifics on exactly what it is ... http://www.gp.com/build/documentview...elementid=4284
And about 2/3 of the way down page 6 it does state not to have a vapor barrier behind the Denshield on an exterior wall. I had an inspector ask me about this once .. I showed him what it said on the label stuck on the front of each sheet and he shrugged and said fine then. Basically it has it's own vapor barrier.

It's essentially a water resistant gypsum sandwich between 2 glass fibre sheets with other ingredients for waterproofing.
So it is Dens Glass with waterproofing smeared on it?

Ontario is wacked out when it comes to vapor barrier requirements. If you spray foam exterior walls you still have to put vapor barrier on top of that, unless you foam continuously over top of the studs.
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So it is Dens Glass with waterproofing smeared on it?

Ontario is wacked out when it comes to vapor barrier requirements. If you spray foam exterior walls you still have to put vapor barrier on top of that, unless you foam continuously over top of the studs.
Is that new. In BC you don't have to do this if you spray foam. ???

Homes today are built to tight - I think there is something to be said for a little air movement. I like the new rain screen details and flashing requirements, I think finally there is some sound logic there but the isolation of ever leak can not be all that good for a home.

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Is that new. In BC you don't have to do this if you spray foam. ???

Homes today are built to tight - I think there is something to be said for a little air movement. I like the new rain screen details and flashing requirements, I think finally there is some sound logic there but the isolation of ever leak can not be all that good for a home.

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I've yet to see the 850 changes in the new BC building code which was supposedly being published June 20th according to my local building department. I know it doesn't fully come in to effect until the Fall but I believe much of it they are going to try to enforce earlier.
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I've yet to see the 850 changes in the new BC building code which was supposedly being published June 20th according to my local building department. I know it doesn't fully come in to effect until the Fall but I believe much of it they are going to try to enforce earlier.
It's about time. My 2006 Code binder is beat to ****. Did you order a new copy? I'm thinking about going digital this time.

I was chatting with Eric from Noble and he tells me that some of these membrane vapour barrier, vapour sandwich issues will be further outlined in the coming months. Still waiting for the final skinny.

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Not ordered a copy yet ... Digital may be how I go too as 'searching' that binder can be a real pain at times. Mine never leaves the office so it's still in good condition. I wonder how much they'll be charging this time round ?!
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I have all the books I need on my Nook which stays in my work binder. The search feature is very helpful. At $80 I probably would have bought a Nook just for to keep the code books on but having my break time books on it is a nice perk!

I can't get DensArmor from any of my suppliers either. I think one company about 30 minutes away carries it in 5/8".
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John, it's only Ontario IIRC.

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