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Old 11-01-2010, 08:41 AM   #1
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Ceramic Over Laminate


I have to put in a ceramic backsplash where there is laminate already installed. The laminate is well adheared to the wall and will be difficult to remove without destroying the wall.

Is it possible to go over the laminate with tile and what should I use for mastic?
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Re: Ceramic Over Laminate


There is one thin set out there that installs just about anything to anything....

Mapei's Grani Rapid.

Not sure if I understand your post but If the Laminate is sound, strong, flat, level and all those good things you might try and apply a scratch coat of Stucco mesh and Grani Rapid.

I would think this give you a good base to work off.

I might also look at Laticrete's 254 or 254R for the same purpose. Watch your tools these products dry hard and are hard to remove from your hands, clothes and tools...

Post a picture so we can see first hand - in case I'm way off base...

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Thx John, I'm on site now removing the tops. I have picts on my phone and will post when I get back into the office.
I think you undertstand it. The laminate goes up beind the uppers and behind the old tops.
I had to remove some for additional electrical and it was a bear to remove.
I would rather not have to lath it for stucco scratch, too thick and not in the budget. I'd like a product I can trowel but will bond to the lam. It is sound and flat.
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I'd like a product I can trowel but will bond to the lam. It is sound and flat.
Laminate is specifically made to be difficult for materials to bond to, whether it is grape juice, gravy, mastic, or thin set. A long lasting connection may be unlikely using the materials you wish
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Laminate is specifically made to be difficult for materials to bond to, whether it is grape juice, gravy, mastic, or thin set. A long lasting connection may be unlikely using the materials you wish
This is a good point. I have had lots of luck with Grani sticking to anything. Perhaps you should put a cup wheel on the grinder with a metal bristles and rough up the surface some...

I like the stucco mesh (I use the plastic drywall mesh tape kind 3' roll x 100') - in a pinch we use Bug Screen mesh as a go to back up.

With a rough surface and some mesh you should have a good backer...


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I like the stucco mesh (I use the plastic drywall mesh tape kind 3' roll x 100') - in a pinch we use Bug Screen mesh as a go to back up.

With a rough surface and some mesh you should have a good backer...
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John, where do you get mesh this wide and how do you fasten it? I assume mechanically but what do you use that lays flat enough?
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Don't get all carried away. It's a backsplash.

Sander with 120 grit, quality nodified thinset like Mapei Ultraflex 2 and install.

But don't get too technical. No one walks on a backsplash, there's no wet location issues......

It's not that big of a deal.
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Don't get all carried away. It's a backsplash.

Sander with 120 grit, quality nodified thinset like Mapei Ultraflex 2 and install. .......

It's not that big of a deal.
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Except the bugs, spiders and roaches
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Been up this road with good success - Use a quality mod thin-set and scarify surface - sticks like molasses and no call backs.
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Good to know I can go 120. I was ready to go 60.

(and I'll skip the mesh)

Good advice from all as usual
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I have to put in a ceramic backsplash where there is laminate already installed. The laminate is well adheared to the wall and will be difficult to remove without destroying the wall.

Is it possible to go over the laminate with tile and what should I use for mastic?
Staple wire mesh over it and coat it with thinset there is no promise that just mastic will adhere, it's not a floor so pressure cracking is not a issue , as for the stucco mesh not a good idea it has it's own glue on the mesh but will it stick? I don't know the answer to that and have never done it and never will, I stick to the things that apply to this applacation , so there it is sports fans !, wire all the way, lol I just wanted to sound fancy , but quarter inch drywall and screw it rite over top of laminate , it's the quickest, and you ready to go my friend, there are many ways to do it this is the cleanest and quickest and cheapest way to get tile on the wall with the proper adhesion, and a clean setting surface,it's not rocket science, just common sense, the less layers you have the better, and I know screwd drywall works !!!! You could even put some pl 2000 on there with screws just for added strength...........

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