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Old 01-03-2018, 07:33 PM   #1
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Above Tub Surround Tiling Issue


I have to 12x24 tile on the top 32" of the tub surround. On the back 5 ft side with the Prova waterproof board installed I'm almost flush with the surround top edge. The sides are fine. The surround top edge is built wider on the facing sides. So i have an edge to use as as stop for my shims
1.Any pointers on how to keep the tile up as the thinset is drying on that 5 ft side. above the tub.

2. Also how do you guys tackle the walls from a height standpoint. Can't exactly throw a ladder into the tub with a blanket underneath it and stand on it. I have 2 inches of tub showing on the facing sides of the surround, back is flush with the tub.

3. That tile edge will probably be a rough cut edge Do i flip the tile so the finished edge is down, It's a beveled 12x24 tile. I thought of metal-ling it but the other 2 facing sides don't need it.
Thoughts etc. appreciated.
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Old 01-03-2018, 07:43 PM   #2
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I have to 12x24 tile on the top 32" of the tub surround. On the back 5 ft side with the Prova waterproof board installed I'm almost flush with the surround top edge. The sides are fine. The surround top edge is built wider on the facing sides. So i have an edge to use as as stop for my shims
1.Any pointers on how to keep the tile up as the thinset is drying on that 5 ft side. above the tub.

2. Also how do you guys tackle the walls from a height standpoint. Can't exactly throw a ladder into the tub with a blanket underneath it and stand on it. I have 2 inches of tub showing on the facing sides of the surround, back is flush with the tub.

3. That tile edge will probably be a rough cut edge Do i flip the tile so the finished edge is down, It's a beveled 12x24 tile. I thought of metal-ling it but the other 2 facing sides don't need it.
Thoughts etc. appreciated.
Thanks
Hard to picture it from your description.

That high up (dry area), you can support the tile any way that works. A couple screws underneath, or stack shims, or stack spacers, or wide blue tape to the wall above...whatever works.

I use a folding work platform if it can straddle the tub, or a 4" ladder.

Use your best judgment on the edge. Are you snap cutting or wet saw?

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You can use nails to hold the tile up, a folding platform to straddle the tub and why would it be a rough edge, you cutting them with a chainsaw?
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1. Nail a ledger up, then waterproof the holes if after you take it down, if it's in a waterproofed area.

2. Cut a piece of plywood the full size of the tub. Protects the tub if you drop a tile, keeps it clean, and lets you work up to the ceiling.

3. Factory edge to factory edge. Cut edge to ceiling.
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You can use nails to hold the tile up, a folding platform to straddle the tub and why would it be a rough edge, you cutting them with a chainsaw?
Rough edge meaning cut edge. Not factory smooth. I do use a stone but since these tiles are bevelled I asked.
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1. Nail a ledger up, then waterproof the holes if after you take it down, if it's in a waterproofed area.

2. Cut a piece of plywood the full size of the tub. Protects the tub if you drop a tile, keeps it clean, and lets you work up to the ceiling.

3. Factory edge to factory edge. Cut edge to ceiling.
Ledger wont work its the surround edge it buts to
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I do that quite often but I have no back ledge to rest the plywood on. I wondered if it would support me.
3. Factory to factory i realized but the bottom row tile will be cut. So that why I pondered the bevelled edge or raw cut edge down. I do use a stone but its not exactly a baby smooth edge you get.
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Hard to picture it from your description.

That high up (dry area), you can support the tile any way that works. A couple screws underneath, or stack shims, or stack spacers, or wide blue tape to the wall above...whatever works.

I use a folding work platform if it can straddle the tub, or a 4" ladder.

Use your best judgment on the edge. Are you snap cutting or wet saw?
wet saw. Tiles are too brittle. Thin and cheap
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I posted a pic I forgot I took in my original post
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After seeing your picture...

Use nails to hold the tiles up on the 5' side, if possible fill the holes with a sealant (I use Kerdi fix because I always have some)

I'm 6' 3", I just stand on the edge of the tub more often than not which is covered with either plastic or plastic and a tarp. It's kinda slippery, but it works. Sometimes I'll put a tarp in the bottom with a ladder straddling the front of the tub. It just limits my movement so I don't do this method as often. A work platform setup outside of the tub is helpful as well.

I wouldn't have the exposed cut side facing down if it's protruding from the face of the tub as it sounds like you're saying. Depending on the look, you could try the factory edge down.

My preference would be to run a color matched Schluter Jolly trim first which would blend in nicely. It would also allow you to use the Jolly as your ledger. You can hot glue the Jolly in place, then set your tile on it.
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I cover the edge of the tub and stand on it.

Use a folding baker for a material stand.

Set the tile with epoxy mortar, set the bottom course, let it set, finish the job. Pre-cut the bottom course. While the course is setting up pre cut the rest of the tile.

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never thought of the epoxy.
Good tip
I have a 4 ft baker that is 22 high
good tip
I wonder if I could just color schluter the bottom edge of the 5 side only.

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I cover the edge of the tub and stand on it.

Use a folding baker for a material stand.

Set the tile with epoxy mortar, set the bottom course, let it set, finish the job. Pre-cut the bottom course. While the course is setting up pre cut the rest of the tile.

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Does epoxy mortar set up super quick or something?
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I wonder if I could just color schluter the bottom edge of the 5 side only.
I don't see why not. If the short sides are landing on top of the surround and the 5' side is gonna be hanging out in space, it's going to look different anyway.

You would lay the back wall first and then shim the sides to match the height. It would be a slightly larger joint than I would normally want there but this isn't a normal scenario.
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never thought of the epoxy.
Good tip
I have a 4 ft baker that is 22 high
good tip
I wonder if I could just color schluter the bottom edge of the 5 side only.
It will affect the layout by about 1/4" vertically. I'd put it on 3 sides.

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Does epoxy mortar set up super quick or something?
I should not have called it epoxy mortar. It's a fast setting mortar.

I've stacked Speed Set in 30 minutes.

https://www.homedepot.com/catalog/pd...3737cf32dd.pdf

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This is the scaffolding I use in smaller rooms, I use regular bakers in larger rooms.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/MetalTec...IMAC/203504542

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Maybe---carefully screw the flange of the Schluter to studs alone the 5' wall?

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I think I might try the fast set on the bottom row.
I've used it before for a fireplace facade. I'm just not sure how long I have to leave it before starting to stack tile on top of it. It sets fast BUT how long before vertical pressure can be put on it. I do use tile levellers.
Or Ill pick up a few metals just in case and hot glue them on if need be

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Maybe---carefully screw the flange of the Schluter to studs alone the 5' wall?

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I think my first choice would be hot glue

My second would be roofing nail and I'd start the hole, pull the nail, put Kerdi fix in it and then drive the nail into the stud.
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I think I might try the fast set on the bottom row.
I've used it before for a fireplace facade. I'm just not sure how long I have to leave it before starting to stack tile on top of it. It sets fast BUT how long before vertical pressure can be put on it. I do use tile levellers.
Or Ill pick up a few metals just in case and hot glue them on if need be
Use the RLS clips, screw the base to the wall, thats what the holes in it are for.

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