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Old 11-20-2017, 06:13 PM   #1
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8 X 24 Plank, Spacing


I'm laying down 500 sf of 8x24 ceramic "wood" plank on a basement floor with 1/3 offset. Floor and Decor cheap stuff, and it seems fairly flat. Silvered wood, with gray/silver grout (similar)

This is intended to be a quick, fast, cheap install for a home sale. No leveling system, just comb and go. What grout size would you go with? I was going to do 3/16", but I'm having second thoughts that I should tighten it up a bit (1/8").

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Re: 8 X 24 Plank, Spacing


Measure the tile. If it's 1/8" short of the whole number go with 1/8.

You'll regret not using a lippage system with these tiles.

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Measure the tile. If it's 1/8" short of the whole number go with 1/8.

You'll regret not using a lippage system with these tiles.

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It's a bit larger than 8x24, like an 1/8" wider and 1/4" longer.
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It's a bit larger than 8x24, like an 1/8" wider and 1/4" longer.
Go with an 1/8. Most are smaller.

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I'll never lay tile without using a leveling system (clip), it's too darn hard and I can't lay a tile and know that it badly out of level and leave it. it feel it makes me faster b/c I'm not messing with spacers. The red clips in the Riamondi system are 1/8" wide, which is a great width for that type of flooring.

If you don't use a leveling system then by using a wider grout joint you can hide the uneven tiles.
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Alright, you smacked some sense into me. Much obliged.

I decided to get the Goldblatt version of the Lash clips, since the levelers are softer, less brittle plastic. Good enough for now. 1/16" spacing
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IMO, wood planks should never be further than 1/8". And I am glad you decided to use a lippage system. I would say that it will save you a ton on labor so well worth the small cost.
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Check a few tiles side by side. The 1/16" might be to tight. You can use 1/8" spacers with the 1/16" clips if need be.

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Well you learn something everyday. I have never seen these used before. They look really handy, are they used just on larger tiles with small grout Lines? When the thinset is dry do they just break off?
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Well you learn something everyday. I have never seen these used before. They look really handy, are they used just on larger tiles with small grout Lines? When the thinset is dry do they just break off?
I use the RLS lippage system. I think the minimum tile size is 8x8, thickness from 1/8" to 3/4", minimum joint width is 1/16", max width is not listed, my guess 3/4".

Yes, they break off.

The first photo incorporates a protection plate that TNT recommend.

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I use the RLS lippage system. I think the minimum tile size is 8x8, thickness from 1/8" to 3/4", minimum joint width is 1/16", max width is not listed, my guess 3/4".

Yes, they break off.

The first photo incorporates a protection plate that TNT recommend.

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They come in 1/32" as well. Not sure the widest. I have only ever used the 1/8" clip.
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Ive never seen any of my tile guys use these at all, they do seem pretty handy though. Just trying to understand a bit more. So I guy would probably use these more when they were placing a 24x12 tile with a tight grout line rather than a 12x12 with a large grout line? Seem like a no brainer for walls as would be placing the spacer in there anyways. Any drawbacks to these. Cost, Speed? For some reason I cant see a guy using these in a large office entry. These targeted more towards residential work? Also just realized Im butting right into the middle of your post MarkJames, sorry about that.
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Ive never seen any of my tile guys use these at all, they do seem pretty handy though. Just trying to understand a bit more. So I guy would probably use these more when they were placing a 24x12 tile with a tight grout line rather than a 12x12 with a large grout line? Seem like a no brainer for walls as would be placing the spacer in there anyways. Any drawbacks to these. Cost, Speed? For some reason I cant see a guy using these in a large office entry. These targeted more towards residential work? Also just realized Im butting right into the middle of your post MarkJames, sorry about that.
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Re: 8 X 24 Plank, Spacing


Interesting timing on this thread.

I am looking at a 8x24 wood look as an option for a room that may have a higher than optimal deflection.

The spacing is of high interest, and I agree that finer lines lend it to a better look as it's a wood imitation. Could someone comment on possible grout issues and what type of grout might mitigate potential pops?

Apologies to the OP if it's off topic
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Ive never seen any of my tile guys use these at all, they do seem pretty handy though. Just trying to understand a bit more. So I guy would probably use these more when they were placing a 24x12 tile with a tight grout line rather than a 12x12 with a large grout line? Seem like a no brainer for walls as would be placing the spacer in there anyways. Any drawbacks to these. Cost, Speed? For some reason I cant see a guy using these in a large office entry. These targeted more towards residential work? Also just realized Im butting right into the middle of your post MarkJames, sorry about that.
I use them on every job, but yes, large format tiles are where they shine. Planks are rarely flat and most have a bow. You can eliminate the bow with the clips. But the real function is to eliminate lippage.

And they are used in commercial all of the time. You can step (lightly) right after laying tile and in a commercial environment where others ignore your fresh tile signs and walk all over them, this will, at least, Hold the tiles together and not allow them to shift.
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Interesting timing on this thread.

I am looking at a 8x24 wood look as an option for a room that may have a higher than optimal deflection.

The spacing is of high interest, and I agree that finer lines lend it to a better look as it's a wood imitation. Could someone comment on possible grout issues and what type of grout might mitigate potential pops?

Apologies to the OP if it's off topic
Grout fails for a few reasons.

1. substrate/structure movement.
2. improper mix
3. wrong grout for application

If you go with an 1/8" joint or larger you can use pretty much any grout. Larger than 1/8" I would not use unsanded. Smaller than an 1/8" I would use unsanded.
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Mapei flexcolor cq would be less likely to crack.
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Grout fails for a few reasons.

1. substrate/structure movement.
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If you go with an 1/8" joint or larger you can use pretty much any grout. Larger than 1/8" I would not use unsanded. Smaller than an 1/8" I would use unsanded.
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Mapei flexcolor cq would be less likely to crack.
This a personal project under consideration. I just know the that I can make things on shelves rattle slightly if I bounce a little mid-span. Gypcrete over subfloor over properly sized I-joist.

Having a crack form in the floor after install (eventually) wouldn't be the worst thing. Having grout chunks popping out over the years would be far worse.
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I guess I'm gettting old but I just dont like the look of those big tiles..or the popular subway "ugly as sh-it "tiles anywhere. Too commercial looking for my taste...plus those big honkers are heavy and bulky to work with. And heck, I don't even like the look of them in commercial settings either.

It looks like you did a good job though.

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