What kind of control devices do you use? - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

avalon · 04-02-2006, 01:17 AM

I wanted to see what everyone's thoughts were on which type of control device they use for their lighting systems. I realize it may vary depending on the size of the system and how many transformers you are working with. Are these devices simple or sophisticated--home automation types?

I work mostly with the simple photocell/ timer type of system for smaller jobs and look at using relays or sequencer types of control for larger systems. I've tried the X-10 for many years, but have found it to be a real pain, due to the amount of electronic noise created at ones property now days. I really don't enjoy having to go back to a clients house several times, especially after a year or more, due to the client adding electronics!

Anybody find any other types of controls that are "dependable" and somewhat cost effective? Let's say, in the several hundred dollar range? Thanks for any input.

NightScenes · 04-02-2006, 02:00 PM

Marc, I usually just use the gool ol' digital timer and photo control. I have put in a few remotes and I am currently installing a system that is going to be operated by an in-home automation system that is being installed by a seperate company. They are going to control the outlets that I will plug into. This is a new construction job and I get very few of these.

Chris J · 04-04-2006, 08:14 PM

I think I have used everything out there; Radio RA, X-10, Digital and Mechanical Timers. I guess I have to say I like to try to keep it as simple as possible and use the digis with a quality pc. The X-10 set-up, however, does have its qualities. For instance, you can talk a homeowner through reseting it over the phone. This saves a great deal of time and travel costs. I guess you could also talk a homeowner through reseting a digital, but who wants to send their customers into the bushes with a cordless phone? Not very professional... When installing the X-10, it is imperative that you install the phase coupler/repeater also. This will add another couple of hundred to the job cost, but it is well worth it to both you and the owner. By doing this, you will greatly increase your success with the device, and make yourself look like a real pro to the client.

illuminata · 02-27-2008, 05:41 PM

Mark,

If you liked the versatility of X10 but hated the reliability I used to say "learn how to use it properly" but now I say "have you looked into UPB".

NightScenes · 02-27-2008, 07:55 PM

I now use UPB quite often. Control Scape seems to be pretty good and I have had very little problems with it.

JamesNLA · 02-28-2008, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by nightscapespaul

I now use UPB quite often. Control Scape seems to be pretty good and I have had very little problems with it.

I took Paul's advice on ControlScapes stuff. This was on a large project (for me) and I was a little worried just because I was unfamilliar. I have used X10 garbage before and voe never again.

Got all my recepts installed, everything else done and it came time to program the unit to the recepts. Nada....zero communication, even with the receptacle located right next to the CS recept (same circuit). Spent about 30-45 min with......Adam I think his name was. Nice guy - we tried everything. He wound up overnighting me a new controller. Plugged it in did my scan and was totally programmed and working flawlessly in about 10 minutes. It's been a few months and not one hicup. My client sometimes unplugs the unit so the lights will stay off for a few days and just simply plugs the controller back in and all the settings are still in tact (non-volital memory). I have since installed another controller for their fountain lights and gated entrance to the property. I have also installed 3 additional systems in other clients homes.....perfect. As paul told me a while ago....it's just like X10 only 100 times better.

AND no phase coupler needed with recepts on A and B phase!!

It's good stuff

NightScenes · 02-28-2008, 07:29 AM

I do install phase couplers though, on every install, just in case. It's very cheap insurance.

JamesNLA · 02-29-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by nightscapespaul

I do install phase couplers though, on every install, just in case. It's very cheap insurance.

I had it all set and ready to install. Was talking to Adam and he said just plug the UPB into the recept next to the CS recept and program it that way. That assigns an IP and when the UPB is back where it is to be perminantly installed, that IP broadcase is sent.....essientially over both phases. The signal is that strong and clean that it will still command properly. I have one CS recept about 400 feet away from the UPB...not one problem. I saved that PC just incase I get the call....Although my HO did call me yesterday and now wants to start the front of the property. Happy bout that...too busy to get started for atleast a month.