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At some point in the cut, there's a balancing act of trunk integrity (split resistance) , vs remaining hinge strength. Usually the hinge gives first.
That's the basics.

Having rot in the trunk can mess up your felling too, but in a different way. If I'm not sure, I'll drill a hole to see.
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I am a tree hugger!



Sorry for the bad photo, but this Timbco gives a proper tree hug. Eco-logging is good, so hug the tree (With the grapples) before you cut it.
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I am a tree hugger!



Sorry for the bad photo, but this Timbco gives a proper tree hug. Eco-logging is good, so hug the tree (With the grapples) before you cut it.
Man, take care of our planet, it's all we got for now.....

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Man, take care of our planet, it's all we got for now.....

but remember........
If everyone treated their land like this...


We wouldn't see this scene that I shot along the Oregon Scenic Highway which is err...was incredibly beautiful The owner of the property is way beyond a multi-millionaire and doesn't need the money. I was pissed as the Grande Ronde River is right there!
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Goodbye salmon...........
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Goodbye salmon...........
They were already mostly obliterated from farming practices. Water rights leave the Grande Ronde River as a trickle in the summer, plus fertilizer and other chemicals left the water nasty. Today the river is far cleaner due to regulations, but the salmon runs are minimal. The stories of 100 years ago are completely different with salmon so thick you could walk across their backs. The Indians feasted on the salmon.

Unfortunately also with the drought and high temps this summer Oregon had one of it's worst fire years. This spring is going to be horrible for top soil runoff as the snow melts. I wouldn't be surprised if downed trees plug more than a few streams causing flooding too.

Pictures can be deceiving but for reference this very steep hill/mountain runs straight into Phillips Creek, which runs into the Grande Ronde River. I kicked a rock down it and started a landslide. Can't salvage the timber since the cost to sky line log it and transport it to the mills is more than the profit.
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I have never been a fan of clear cutting.

It leaves a horrendous scar and makes for a huge mess, even when cleaned up.

But it is ALWAYS about money....
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Such a shame to lose all those salmon runs. Salmon fishing was a way for lots of small fisherman to make a pretty good living, along with trolling for albacore.
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I'd surmise that the majority of people who've fallen victim to it never heard the term. It's a nasty, scary thing, and those who know about it do everything in their power to avoid it.

If you haven't seen it in 50 years of cutting, either you didn't cut all that much or you've been incredibly lucky. Even x-ray vision won't guarantee it won't happen with any given tree.
I've been felling trees for over 30 years & have felled thousands & thousands of trees & never had it happen to me. I primarily cut oak & hickory.

Getting ready to start another 18 acres of aggressive timber stand improvement on our place, I guess I'll get the chance on a couple thousand more trees to continue being lucky.
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I have never been a fan of clear cutting.

It leaves a horrendous scar and makes for a huge mess, even when cleaned up.


But it is ALWAYS about money....
Ayuh,.... Location is Everything,....

Over here in the Northeast, if ya cut down a tree, Mother nature has 3 more to replace it by Spring,....

Cut a road through the woods, 'n it's woods again in a couple years,....
Beatin' back Mother nature is a full time job, or she wins,....

Growin' up in Maine, in the '60s, 'n '70s, clear cuttin' blocks of forest was the norm, which led to the resurgence of the Moose,...
Back before, when little tote roads, 'n selective cuttin' was used, the Moose were loosin' ground, dyin' off, no chance of a huntin' season,....

Within 10 years of the block clear cuttin' the Moose population Exploded,....
By the mid-'70s, the State opened the Moose season, 'n has been rakin' in the cash ever since,....
Both the Moose, 'n the forest are better off, producin' more, Because of block clear cuttin',....
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Ayuh,.... Location is Everything,....

Over here in the Northeast, if ya cut down a tree, Mother nature has 3 more to replace it by Spring,....

Cut a road through the woods, 'n it's woods again in a couple years,....
Beatin' back Mother nature is a full time job, or she wins,....

Growin' up in Maine, in the '60s, 'n '70s, clear cuttin' blocks of forest was the norm, which led to the resurgence of the Moose,...
Back before, when little tote roads, 'n selective cuttin' was used, the Moose were loosin' ground, dyin' off, no chance of a huntin' season,....

Within 10 years of the block clear cuttin' the Moose population Exploded,....
By the mid-'70s, the State opened the Moose season, 'n has been rakin' in the cash ever since,....
Both the Moose, 'n the forest are better off, producin' more, Because of block clear cuttin',....
We had a 40 acre lot cut this spring. It has 2 clear cuts and the rest was heavy but selective. The moose started using the skid roads immediately. A trail cam was set up on the skid trail next to a clear cut. Got some good pics of 2 cows together this fall. 1 week later my bud had a bull charge his Polaris RZR. He rammed the RZR, tipping it on its side. He hit so hard my bud was thrown out of the roll cage.
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Within 10 years of the block clear cuttin' the Moose population Exploded,....
By the mid-'70s, the State opened the Moose season, 'n has been rakin' in the cash ever since,....
Both the Moose, 'n the forest are better off, producin' more, Because of block clear cuttin',....
I went and read some well written articles on the moose and their habitat. No where was it written as a direct correlation of the moose population increase and clear cutting. All articles did state that the moose were found eating from the clear cuts until the trees became too big. The birds also came in flocks to the clearings. Especially where the berry bushes had taken over for some species of birds. I have to wonder though if the moose population increase wasn't due to stricter regulations on hunting them? Man has proven over and over that left regulated we will take until the species is gone...

One of the biggest things I caught was the size of the clear cuts that were preferable. 200 acres...NO! 6-10 acres or so, was preferable. Not really a surprise that grazing animals wouldn't head to a clearing. Cattle sure would, and they would be easy to spot vs standing 20 ft from them in a thick forest and never seeing them.

Out West here we have seen numerous clear cuts where the forest on the sides is full of life, and the clear cuts are DEAD! My friend and I were stunned at the difference. We drove out into the middle of one and sat there for about 15 minutes talking about the devastation.

Thanks for sharing that information it was an eye opener to other realities. I gotta go to Maine and see it for myself
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Today I cut a few trees down, and bucked them. The views from up higher were nice as it was a beautiful calm day. This photo was shot after I had cut the crown off and was working my way down. Deer fence on one side and deck on the other side. This fir tree did nothing for us. All we saw looking out the windows was a tree trunk. It had over grown the oaks, and the worst part was it constantly dropped needles thru the gutter protectors. Good riddance!
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I went and read some well written articles on the moose and their habitat. No where was it written as a direct correlation of the moose population increase and clear cutting. All articles did state that the moose were found eating from the clear cuts until the trees became too big. The birds also came in flocks to the clearings. Especially where the berry bushes had taken over for some species of birds. I have to wonder though if the moose population increase wasn't due to stricter regulations on hunting them? Man has proven over and over that left regulated we will take until the species is gone...

One of the biggest things I caught was the size of the clear cuts that were preferable. 200 acres...NO! 6-10 acres or so, was preferable. Not really a surprise that grazing animals wouldn't head to a clearing. Cattle sure would, and they would be easy to spot vs standing 20 ft from them in a thick forest and never seeing them.

Out West here we have seen numerous clear cuts where the forest on the sides is full of life, and the clear cuts are DEAD! My friend and I were stunned at the difference. We drove out into the middle of one and sat there for about 15 minutes talking about the devastation.

Thanks for sharing that information it was an eye opener to other realities. I gotta go to Maine and see it for myself
Ayuh,.... Moose hunti' in Maine had been closed for generations, prior to the mid-late '70s,....
'n I ain't a biologist,...
But I am aware of my surroundin's, 'n witnessed what I speak of,...

The block clear cuttin' was/ is done there in blocks of a hundred or so acres each cut,...

A clear cut in Maine, is bare for only the 1st season it's cut, by the followin' year, it's green again, 'n the moose move in to get to the easy to eat browse,...
By the 2nd or 3rd season, it's a young forest, maybe 6' or 10' tall,....
More easy food, more moose babies, more moose,....

Moose are much like cows,.... Dumb,.....
For many years, moose huntin' is 'bout a friend gettin' a permit, 'n the gang goin' road huntin' through the clear cuts, with everybody lookin' for a moose in a clear cut, hopefully near the road,....
Once seen, it's shot, 'n winched out to the road to load out,....
No matter how many in a group, draggin' a 1,500 lb. critter out of the woods is no easy task,...
Hence, road huntin' is still the preferred method,...
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One of the biggest things I caught was the size of the clear cuts that were preferable. 200 acres...NO! 6-10 acres or so, was preferable. Not really a surprise that grazing animals wouldn't head to a clearing. Cattle sure would, and they would be easy to spot vs standing 20 ft from them in a thick forest and never seeing them.

Out West here we have seen numerous clear cuts where the forest on the sides is full of life, and the clear cuts are DEAD!
Moose will go into wide open areas to eat if there is a good food source. They're so big, they don't worry too much about being spotted by predators. Deer like to stay in or close to cover, though.

The moose population here is starting to go down due to "winter ticks:

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In January, biologists began a five-year study involving 60 moose, affixed with radio collars, around Moosehead Lake. Half of those moose – 21 calves and nine adults – died this spring.

Tissue analysis won’t be back from the lab for several weeks, but Kantar said the moose, especially the calves, showed signs of anemia and mortality caused by winter ticks.

“When you find a calf lying dead and it has nothing else wrong with it, no broken bones, and there are signs of anemia, winter ticks are the most likely contributing factor to why that animal died,” Kantar said.

In neighboring New Hampshire, hunters and biologists are worried.

John Lanier, a forester and hunter who lives in Columbia, New Hampshire, 20 minutes from the Canadian border, said moose have all but vanished there.

“The moose population has gone down, there is no doubt about it,” Lanier said. “I was looking at one the other day that was shot because it was about to die. It had tens of thousands of ticks on it. It didn’t bleed. The ticks had taken all its blood.”

Kristine Rines, who has been New Hampshire’s moose biologist for the past 20 years, said the situation there is dire.
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Ayuh,.... Moose hunti' in Maine had been closed for generations, prior to the mid-late '70s,....
That is exactly what I meant. Stop the hunting and the moose come back albeit slowly. They have been clear cutting the forests across the USA on a mass scale since the late 1800's. The redwood forests around us were mostly obliterated by 1930. The California Gold Rush leveled entire forests for fuel. We were standing on a pile of tailings and my woman goes no way, look at the size of the trees...all second growth. The bird eggs at the Farallon Islands were removed to the point the birds became endangered. Now they are back stronger, but not to historical levels. Great White sharks are making a come back. It all has to do with regulating take of the animals. Logic tells me since they were already clear cutting, while the moose population was shrinking that regulation played a larger part. Remove the current strict regulation and the moose would disappear. Same goes for deer, bear, elk, etc. I am glad that they are making a come back as they are such a majestic and powerful creature.

If you want a good read "The Death and life of Monterey Bay" covers the plight of the otter along with the rest of the bay and how much one species effects others. (We will be in Monterey tomorrow Unfortunately dive conditions kinda suck.)

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~John Lanier, a forester and hunter who lives in Columbia, New Hampshire, 20 minutes from the Canadian border, said moose have all but vanished there.~
Maybe they need more clear cutting? Said in jest!

Sad that the ticks are able to kill such a large animal. I have only seen a few moose in Canada while floating the rivers fishing.
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Ayuh,... But not in Maine,..... Virgin timber was already gone by then in Maine,....

Clear cuttin' was unheard of til the very late-'50s, early '60s, in Maine,......
Clear cuttin' didn't take off til the mid- late-'60s, in Maine,....

Within 10 years of the explosion of clear cuttin', the Moose population also exploded,....
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I've got a couple clear cut areas planned in my Timber stand improvement project.

The long term health of a forest sometimes dictates clear cutting. Most tall trees in the average forest around here are the same age structure. By clear cutting some areas, you create a different age structure to the timber. I won't live long enough to benefit from the harvest of trees in a clear cut, but future generations who own my property will benefit from my efforts today.

As was already mentioned, clear cutting does not kill the timber, it removes the mature trees. At the forest floor, there's thousands of baby trees already growing, just waiting for their share of the sunlight. In 5 years, most of those trees will be 10-20' depending on species & new trees will sprout from the seeds already in the ground just waiting for sun.
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To be clear I am FULLY PRO LOGGING! As long as it is done for the better of the forest and it's creatures.

From a senior official at the Oregon Department of Forestry who was my contact throughout the fire:

Good morning Peter,

As mop up on the fire progresses, I just wanted to take an opportunity to give kudos to all of you and your consulting foresters on the forest management activity you have done on your property. There is no doubt in my mind that the fire would have been more severe and damaging if your property had not been actively managed. Our extended drought coupled with the weather conditions we experienced last Sunday and Monday, when the fire blew up, was about as severe burning conditions as we will experience in NE Oregon. Most of my observations on your property have been along roads in the fire area and the fire perimeter, but the long history of actively managing your property no doubt paid dividends in lessening the severity of the fire and the resultant damage. Good job!

Sincerely,

Mark Jacques


This photo is a perfect example of of forestry management and how much growth is affected by cutting. Tree rings tell the story. Diversity of species is very important as is thinning and removal of diseased trees. In our area clear cutting is frowned upon, but the trees grow slow and the forest is a dependent ecosystem.
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In our area, trees are like wheat. Grow them, cut them down, build your houses and wipe your butt.

I've always thought a big clear cut was actually kind of beautiful in its own way.

Then as it grows back fuller and stronger, it is interesting to watch.

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