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Old 10-03-2015, 06:10 PM   #21
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The boys aren't going to be cutting anything to big or high.

But it is very interesting to watch the videos. There are some true pros out there and then there are those America's Funniest Video guys. When you see some of the mistakes you go, "what was that guy thinking?"
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Old 10-03-2015, 09:19 PM   #22
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I've been cutting dead tired before, and realized what I just did. I did a mental Holy ###k, and stopped.
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I'm no pro cutter however I generally fall and process 8-10 cord annually. Been doing it for the last 20 years. Never had a tree barber chair but it is something I try to anticipate and take appropriate measures to prevent. I always expect it with the trees that are leaning hard in the direction you want to drop them. Besides rigging the tree with ropes I'll cut higher up on the stump. This is for trees up to 60' tall. Trees 60-90' that look like they might be an issue, ill choose life and walk away.
I can only imagine if a tree were to barber chair buy the time you heard a snap it would be to late.
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...I can only imagine if a tree were to barber chair buy the time you heard a snap it would be to late...
Actually it's not too late.

One must be aware of the location of the chain to the face cut while watching the tree.

Even on a clean cut you are likely to hear a snap.

A tree that does a Barber Chair on you can be silent.

If one is not a professional faller it is wise to have a spotter also.

ALWAYS have two escape routes.
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https://youtu.be/gC3QoitvQCc


Pulling down a tree with a car.
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Nice video! A pro cutter (now retired) I know miscalculated when he roped his F350 to a tree to keep it from going the wrong way. It went the wrong way, and the F350 went with it - bent the frame.
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That video made me crack up! Thanks.
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if at first you don't succeed.......
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Check out these You Tube videos.



"Boere pulls down palm tree"


OR

"Mix-Man saws tree into truck bed"


You Tube has hours of this stuff.

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All kidding aside, we tried this one out and it's a great method.


https://youtu.be/TTHQucLY_y8


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I would watch some videos on how to properly drop a tree. One tip I will give don, t cut through your hinge if the tree doesn't want to go. Use wedges to make it go over. If your saw gets stuck as it starts going over forget about it. Although most people run like hell anyway. It's the loggers that try to get that stupid saw free.
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I mean rookie loggers.
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Ayuh,.... I had to google tree barber chair to see what it was,.....
Never heard the term,...

I've been cuttin' trees down for 'bout 5 decades, 'n haven't had that happen,...
Lookin' at the images in google, what I see common is a lack of a scarf cut before the back-cut,...

When ya do the scarf cut, ya point the tree fall, providin' the upper weight will follow,....
Ya can't scarf cut a tree, 'n drop it opposite it's natural lean, but ya can steer it right or left, Quite aways,...
Drivin' splittin' wedges into the back-cut can also help, especially with Huge trees,...

The scarf cut eliminates the wood that forms the barber chair,...
It should be a good 1/3rd of the tree,...
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The scarf cut eliminates the wood that forms the barber chair,...
It should be a good 1/3rd of the tree,...
I've only seen barber chairs on ones cut with a scarf cut. I've never seen anyone fell a decent sized tree without a scarf cut.

For best lumber yield, the first scarf cut may be made horizontal, then a second cut at an angle from below, but there's still a scarf cut.
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Had a tree do a teeter totter one day. Best way I can explain it. I cut a tall pine, as it fell it pivoted over another tree. As the tree began to fall over I just took a few steps back. Then the trunk shoot straight up about 25 ft. The tree it pivot over gave way and the trunk slammed backdown 5 ft back toward me. I wasn't looking up until I noticed the tree had disappeared. Then so it coming on down on me.
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Ayuh,.... I had to google tree barber chair to see what it was,.....
Never heard the term,...
I'd surmise that the majority of people who've fallen victim to it never heard the term. It's a nasty, scary thing, and those who know about it do everything in their power to avoid it.

If you haven't seen it in 50 years of cutting, either you didn't cut all that much or you've been incredibly lucky. Even x-ray vision won't guarantee it won't happen with any given tree.
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I was taught to use a plunge cut if fear of barber chairing was possible. Wrapping the trunk above your cut is supposed to help too. As mentioned though, it just happens...instantly and with no warning.

For commercial logging few big trees remain today, and most every logging outfit uses a feller, except on steep slopes, and for the few remaining big trees, which have to be hand cut. The Ponderosa Pine in my profile pic is a big tree, but small by historic standards. My grandmother told me stories of when she bought the property how big the trees were. The biggest trees now are left to propagate the next generation.

I have a nice Echo pole saw (Stronger shaft than Stihl) that reaches about 17' off the ground. Pretty much impossible to hit myself with the running saw blade. I always wear a helmet though since tree branches can and have hit me. With a 12" bar and plenty of power it will drop tree branches 10" in a matter of seconds. Pole saws are a good workout though. My 100lb woman can't even pick the saw up from horizontal. LOL

A climbing arborist IS at the top of the list for most dangerous jobs. Boy is it fun though Running heavy equipment in the forest is also fun and far safer. (Although my uncle was killed while skidding logs cross slope.)
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I'd surmise that the majority of people who've fallen victim to it never heard the term. It's a nasty, scary thing, and those who know about it do everything in their power to avoid it.

If you haven't seen it in 50 years of cutting, either you didn't cut all that much or you've been incredibly lucky. Even x-ray vision won't guarantee it won't happen with any given tree.
Ayuh,... Incredibly Lucky I guess,....

Been 'round loggin' most of my life,....
Land clearin', loggin' for pulp, 'n saw logs, 'n a stint for a tree service,...
The guy always asked to cut down trees 'round "Friends" houses,...

Burn 'bout 30 cords of wood a year keepin' home warm,...

I have had a few "Incidents", nothin' to bad though,....
Most Excitin' were probably when ya hang a tree in another tree,...

In the link I posted, the 1st several rows of pictures, showed trees that hadn't been scarf cut,...
That's why I mentioned the need for a deep, well aimed scarf cut,....
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I think the images google served up was from people intentionally creating a barber chair. The really nasty ones come from any number of factors, but a Dutchman's notch is a good way to get one, as is leaving the hinge a little thick and pulling it over (which I do quite a bit).
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I'm not a logger, but been cuttin for a good bit. I've never seen it, but will certainly consider it in my future cuts!

It seems to me the risk goes up as the lean factor goes up. The more the lean, the more the risk. At some point in the cut, there's a balancing act of trunk integrity (split resistance) , vs remaining hinge strength. Usually the hinge gives first. I will most certainly do a plunge cut first just behind the hinge in the future on big lean trees. I also like the idea of strapping the trunk first. Even a double wrapped loose chain would be better than nothing at all.

Thanks for starting this thread!

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