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Old 09-30-2015, 09:17 PM   #1
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Been watching some tree cutting videos on you tube. There are trees that "barber chair." Has anyone actually experienced or seen this in person? Are there certain trees prone to this ? Just wondering.
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Old 09-30-2015, 09:23 PM   #2
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I've only seen it online but know to be aware of it.

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Leaning trees are prone to barber chairing.
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I just cut and run.
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Yes, I have seen it several times.

Sort of the result pf a perfect storm.

Two dead from it 3 VERY QUICK futher muckers that are plain old lucky.

Falling timber is a VERY DANGEROUS occupation...

No particular species is prone to it. Can happen any time...
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Griz,

Is there any warning sound like crackling or something? ( insert funny comment here...) Does a leaning tree get cut differently to avoid splitting it?

My kid, the lawn cutter, has sought out some trees to cut in the neighborhood. I get to review his choices, most of the time .

I've always helped him and his two partners. A 20' crab apple, 20' birch and 20-25' ash have been cut. He was going to cut a 40-45' ash but the homeowner had second thoughts (glad he said no. I didn't know about it)

Anyway, small trees are just right for them.
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I'll cut up to 30 feet.or so if it is a scrub tree. Any bigger than that, it needs to be out in the open where I can't cause any damage.

When they are near a house, I'll climb up on the roof and use my pole pruner and extension to lop the top off. Then cut it into small bite sized pieces. I love my pole pruner.
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20-30' trees aren't really all that dangerous in the large scheme, though even a 10' bush can give you a spanking on occasion.

While those weird splits do happen, they're relatively rare, and if you're following proper procedures the chances of getting nailed aren't all that huge. Give the kid some credit and let him roll with it.
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...Griz,

Is there any warning sound like crackling or something? ( insert funny comment here...) Does a leaning tree get cut differently to avoid splitting it?...
Pretty common to hear the snap when the back cut is through.
You are usually backing away just prior to that.

Barber pole usually occurs when the falling cut is contrary to the way the tree wants to go. An imbalance in the branches, a breeze, back cut uneven with the face cut etc etc....

The size trees you are cutting can bite you if you are not careful but it is easier to see what is happening and to get out of the way.

I'm referring to timber, 18" diam and up, way up....and tall.

Anytime a chainsaw is sued there is good odds for an accident. Now throw a tree in the equation and there is tremendous potential for an accident to occur.

An internal, unseen, flaw at the cut can also cause problems.
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Barber chairs are rare, but super dangerous. I used to run small tree business (I love climbing). Still do a lot of it.

With a true barber chair, there isn't much warning at all. It occurs with either a defect in wood, or a loaded tree. In 2d, if the tree is leaning heavily to the left, and you are felling it to the direction of lean, during the backcut, tension can be rapidly released into a halftree split that can take off your head.

Like I said, it's rare, and I haven't had a real one. I know it would scare me off my feet seeing videos though.
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Thanks. There must be a months worth of video on tree cutting on You Tube.

As entertaining as watching teenage boys use chainsaws is, I'm trying to curb their enthusiasm to be safe while working. I have supervised the cutting down but let them handle the cutting up and packaging.

It's been a good life and work lesson for them. I am impressed with how well they work together and how it's made them more responsible. I'm also enjoying the fact that they are considering how to spend or save their money. At least until they get girlfriends,lol.


Oh, that pole pruner helps a lot, too. They got one that is a mini chainsaw on an extension 8-9' pole. That came in real handy on the crab apple as it over hung the ranch house roof.

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Oh, that pole pruner helps a lot, too. They got one that is a mini chainsaw on an extension 8-9' pole. That came in real handy on the crab apple as it over hung the ranch house roof.
You can just about cut your head off accidentally with one of those.
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You can get a barber chair pretty easily doing controlled felling where you tie a line on the tree high up, and use a winch to pull it over. The cutter has to give the signal to put tension on or increase tension. It's relatively easy to split smaller trees if too much tension is on the rope at the wrong time You can also do this intentionally with a sloppy notch or too narrow of a notch, making the back cut too slowly, stopping the back cut too soon.
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You can just about cut your head off accidentally with one of those.
We used two guys on that saw. You are right, it can be hard for one guy to use.
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You can get a barber chair pretty easily doing controlled felling where you tie a line on the tree high up, and use a winch to pull it over. The cutter has to give the signal to put tension on or increase tension. It's relatively easy to split smaller trees if too much tension is on the rope at the wrong time You can also do this intentionally with a sloppy notch or too narrow of a notch, making the back cut too slowly, stopping the back cut too soon.
So it mimics the tension on a leaning tree? That's good to know. I've heard that guys will wrap the trunk with a chain a bit higher up from the cut to prevent it splitting low. Think that works?

With all the ash trees dying from the emerald ash borer problem, there is a guy that will cut any size tree for $350. Crazy, huh? However, my son under bid him! I told him no way. He'd make more money cutting lawns that weekend. Fortunately, the homeowner never called him back. That was another lesson learned.
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You can just about cut your head off accidentally with one of those.
How would you do that? It is 8 to 12 feet above you.

I am much more worried about that when using a regular chainsaw.
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You can get a barber chair pretty easily doing controlled felling where you tie a line on the tree high up, and use a winch to pull it over. The cutter has to give the signal to put tension on or increase tension. It's relatively easy to split smaller trees if too much tension is on the rope at the wrong time You can also do this intentionally with a sloppy notch or too narrow of a notch, making the back cut too slowly, stopping the back cut too soon.
This is the only time I've ever had a tree split on me. Sharp, properly powered/sized saws are a must if you're cutting large trees.
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So it mimics the tension on a leaning tree? That's good to know. I've heard that guys will wrap the trunk with a chain a bit higher up from the cut to prevent it splitting low. Think that works?

With all the ash trees dying from the emerald ash borer problem, there is a guy that will cut any size tree for $350. Crazy, huh? However, my son under bid him! I told him no way. He'd make more money cutting lawns that weekend. Fortunately, the homeowner never called him back. That was another lesson learned.
Yes, anything that puts tension on the back cut can do it. Gusts of wind always worry me. I don't see why wrapping it wouldn't limit the splitting. I can't imagine doing this on a big tree. I suppose if you're going to be skidding it out, you could just use the skid chain and be ready to go.


If there is room to safely fell it and you don't have to move / chip the brush, $350 would be profitable. Having to take it down piece by piece is time consuming, especially if you can't get a bucket truck in.
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How would you do that? It is 8 to 12 feet above you.

I am much more worried about that when using a regular chainsaw.
I'll see if I can get the accident details - it was local.
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How would you do that? It is 8 to 12 feet above you.

I am much more worried about that when using a regular chainsaw.
The mini chainsaw pole saw is very awkward, top heavy. It will cut about a 4-5" branch. But with two guys it was easier to control as it cut through and started to plummet to earth, lol.

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