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Old 01-14-2018, 03:44 PM   #41
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Yup ! So will Hackberry
Hackberry doesn't split worth spit, either.

I'd put live oak on the list as well, although I don't think I used a chainsaw on any.
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Old 01-14-2018, 06:38 PM   #42
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You can also get sparks when the chain lays over.


Absolutely,the rivets ride the edge of the bar,next thing you know,all the saw wants to do is cut circles.
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While we are at it,just thought I'd throw this out there;my next chainsaw will be a Echo. I know this sound sacrilegious to most.I have ran Stihl for as long as I can remember,however,here are my reasons. My two sons own a landscaping business. They have more Echo and Stihl equipment than I can count.The Echo is their first grab tool. Reason being,they start easier,come off choke faster and spend way,way less time in the fix it shop. They originally starter with Stihl,took a chance on Echo and have not looked back.

Here is a video comparison.
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Echo has been popular with landscapers for some time. That's what my small saw is, a 305. My big saw is a 372XP. No troubles with either, although I replaced the stock husky bar with a Total bar once I wore the stock one out. The Echo is still on the stock bar.
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When I was shopping for a pole saw I did a ton of research. The Stihl pole saw shafts bend costing a lot of money to replace. Echo's are heavier, but the shaft just doesn't bend, and trust me I have tried. PLUS the Echo pole saw has a 4' extension, allowing me to reach 21' into a tree. My pole saw saved our neighborhood...really it did!

With me it is not about brand loyalty, but which one works the best for the situation. Wound up with Stihl, Husqvarna, Tanaka, and Echo.

I was clearing brush a couple weeks ago, and there were a couple of dried out bushes the sparks where flying while cutting.
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The chain I've been referring to is off a Stihl 021, on a 16" bar.

One of the best pieces of outdoor equipment I have had, in terms of dependability & performance (for its design) that I've used more than 16 years now for heavy pruning and taking down up to mid-size trees (mainly ash). Have also lowered many large above-ground trunks in dug out holes. It's been a wonder and have switched out many a chain especially reducing the trunk heights.

No longer made, I don't know if they've redesigned their line of saws.
Only thing I've done is the carb line and regular tune-ups.

I'm not sure about the echo but going back 40 years, I had an echo straight shaft trimmer - given a blade, I would level entire areas of smaller trees. Top quality.

These older tools I try to keep, or wish I had - never know what the newer ones are all about.

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Here is a video comparison.
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The Echo definitely cuts faster, but the timed wasn't really fair. Cutting with the nose buried in the log slowed the Stihl way down.

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I've owned a Stihl 029 for the last 20 years. A great machine but yes, it does start hard, warm or cold. Even so, I'll keep it. I cut 10-15-cords per year with it. Sadly there's no hardwood up here in CO, all pine.

The one AND ONLY thing I miss about living back in Western NY, Fall leaf colors and hardwood trees. Heck, I had Maples, Oaks and freakin Walnut trees on my property.

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I don't buy a new saw just because it's better in some way. That said, there are 2 Stihls that I don't use because they don't have chain brakes. I learned with no chain brake, and I'm mostly a safe cutter. Probability could always catch up to me, plus I'm not as strong as I was, so the added safety gives me some added margin.
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Not unusual to see sparks from sawing hedge or black locust, that stuff is hard as all get out. You'll have much better luck cutting it green, it gets harder as it drys.
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The chain I've been referring to is off a Stihl 021, on a 16" bar.

So, did your sharpening guy offer up different angles, or anything helpful?

FWIW, Stihl chains isn't always the best choice for dulling, but I can't help you much beyond that. Oregon is always good, AFAIK.
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So, did your sharpening guy offer up different angles, or anything helpful?
No they only cut at one angle, I did mention it.

I've been looking at electric sharpeners myself, trying to justify the cost -- probably have about 8-10 trees to go, some downed in the frozen mudd. With more on the way ...

The neighbors ash are falling this a way and they're not real eager to do any clearing. They tell me "you can have the wood" as if there were gold in the trunks.

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No they only cut at one angle, I did mention it.

I've been looking at electric sharpeners myself, trying to justify the cost -- probably have about 8-10 trees to go, some downed in the frozen mudd. With more on the way ...

The neighbors ash are falling this a way and they're not real eager to do any clearing. They tell me "you can have the wood" as if there were gold in the trunks.


I can understand not wanting to shell out a bunch of coin. I will say this though,I've had a bench Oregon for 25 yrs.or so. It is good to get all the teeth the same size real quick. I do hand filing most of the time,but the Oregon has it's place. Here is a tool that you may want,Some guy that goes by Rangler dude or some such name swears by it + works off truck battery.

It is not real steeply priced.https://www.ebay.com/i/382307709685?chn=ps
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I've been looking at electric sharpeners myself, trying to justify the cost -- probably have about 8-10 trees to go, some downed in the frozen mudd. With more on the way ...
I bought one of those super "high quality" Harbor Freight sharpeners and made the modification to tighten it up. If you preload always in the same direction it actually works pretty darn good for $27- 20%. Since all my chain saws have multiple chains available, once in a while I just have a sharpening blitz. Otherwise I sharpen them in a pinch, on the saw, with a file.
https://www.harborfreight.com/electr...ner-61613.html

This one looks interesting for cheap too.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Blue-Max...FQ5XfgodFCsPAw
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I think I got charged $6/chain last time I took one to somebody else to sharpen. Then I bought a (very cheap!) China-special bench sharpener from the farm store, and have been doing my own since then. A little bit of a learning curve, but even if you completely ruin a chain it doesn't take many sharpening's at $6/each to pay yourself back.

I can't offer any slick tricks for keeping them sharp that haven't already been mentioned. Keeping the saw out of the dirt is number one. I never did believe my Dad all those years growing up that I was the reason the chains were always dull - then I got my own place and started buying my own saws / cutting my own firewood and the chains were still always dull. I reckon he was right after all.
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I did nothing but cut and sold firewood for one season. Twas' hard work, not a lot of profit, but good old skool' labor involved.

I found that taking my chains to a shop to be sharpened was extremely costly. I was pretty cautious about avoiding hitting the dirt, avoiding metal, etc.. yet I was lucky to get 3 (maybe 4) sharpenings on a brand new chain. Then it was trash (couldnt be shapened down anymore). It didn't matter who sharpened it or where I tok them, I think thats just how those auto-machine cutters work. So after 3 times sharpened, I have to buy another new chain.

I finally bought a set of nice Swedish files, an angle gage, watched a few vids and started hand filing all my chains. They lasted three times as long. After awhile I no longer needed the angle gage and freehanded them to perfection. I saved some bucks and never got inot a jam with 3 or 4 dull chains out in the forest. Nor did I have to keep forking over big bucks for new Stihl chains

So I don't like those electric machine sharpener thingys. OTOH I never bought one and maybe its the guys who sharpen them at the hardware stores who take off too much meat. But I was watching how they cut them (before and after) and it didn't look like they were overly aggressive with them. Maybe if you personally do it yourself, you'd be easier on how much you bite off to clean it up.

I must admit it was nice having a hand filed sharp chain all the time and I wouldn't wait until it was dull and throwing dust. I'd take 5 minutes and file it up after each cord or so.

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When I was into some pretty heavy cutting (back when I walked barefoot in the snow), I'd take the time to touch up the chain after every tank of fuel. Double benefit: cutting like butter, and no noodle-arm syndrome.
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The Echo definitely cuts faster, but the timed wasn't really fair. Cutting with the nose buried in the log slowed the Stihl way down.


Different bar sizes. bah. Total cheese test.
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IMO the big use for the auto sharpener is taking an abused chain and getting it useable. You can also use it to change angles for winter cutting frozen wood.

I've hit rocks, iron pins, nails, you name it. Hand filing out badly damaged teeth just isn't practical.

Hand filing, a well cared for chain will last through a lot of cutting.
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When I was into some pretty heavy cutting (back when I walked barefoot in the snow), I'd take the time to touch up the chain after every tank of fuel. Double benefit: cutting like butter, and no noodle-arm syndrome.
A Big 10-4 right there, Coldfoot.

I've ran a lot of other saws and I always come back to Stihl, main reason being I can run one all day long and not get tired (as longas I keep my chains sharp). I think they just run so smooth with the least amount of vibration. No noodle arm (lol) or noodle back either.

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