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Old 01-04-2017, 02:15 PM   #1
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those of you in site utilities, or concrete work, please take the time to answer these questions. if you would, quote this post, and answer behind each question. thanks in advance.

in south dakota, our typical drop inlets/catch basins (2' x 3') inside, (3' x 4') outside or (3' x 4') inside, and (4' x 5') outside. my travels around the united states, i've seen tens of thousands of these.

#1. do you cast the inlets in place?

#2. do you buy your inlets precast from an outside vendor?

#3. do you precast at your own shop site and haul to site and install?

#4. those of you that cast in place, how much would you estimate your forming costs are? DO NOT include the cost of the concrete, or rebar. PLEASE INCLUDE your labor, plywood, screws, nails, dump fees for used/damaged form plywood, etc. i'm just asking for an off the top of your head number here, please waste no time looking up this for me!

#5. after stripping the inlets, do you attempt to save any of the plywood, etc, or just throw away and start with new forming material.

#6 if you try to save it, what percentage roughly are you able to reuse?

thank you so very much for your time helping me with this!
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Old 01-04-2017, 04:29 PM   #2
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those of you in site utilities, or concrete work, please take the time to answer these questions. if you would, quote this post, and answer behind each question. thanks in advance.

in south dakota, our typical drop inlets/catch basins (2' x 3') inside, (3' x 4') outside or (3' x 4') inside, and (4' x 5') outside. my travels around the united states, i've seen tens of thousands of these.

#1. do you cast the inlets in place? No.

#2. do you buy your inlets precast from an outside vendor? Yes.

#3. do you precast at your own shop site and haul to site and install?
Tried it once & it was not cost effective.

#4. those of you that cast in place, how much would you estimate your forming costs are? DO NOT include the cost of the concrete, or rebar. PLEASE INCLUDE your labor, plywood, screws, nails, dump fees for used/damaged form plywood, etc. i'm just asking for an off the top of your head number here, please waste no time looking up this for me!

#5. after stripping the inlets, do you attempt to save any of the plywood, etc, or just throw away and start with new forming material.

#6 if you try to save it, what percentage roughly are you able to reuse?

thank you so very much for your time helping me with this!
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sure does griz, but #6 & 7 are really important to what i'm doing here. you just strip and throw? or try to reuse parts of it on the next structure?
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I think this is probably a regional answer. I've been on construction sites of one kind or another here in this little part of Southern IL for the last ~20 years and I have never, ever, seen a cast in place inlet or basin.

Every great once in a while, when site conditions just won't allow for anything standard, I might see a cast in place outlet. Very, very rare in this neck of the woods.
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I think this is probably a regional answer. I've been on construction sites of one kind or another here in this little part of Southern IL for the last ~20 years and I have never, ever, seen a cast in place inlet or basin.

Every great once in a while, when site conditions just won't allow for anything standard, I might see a cast in place outlet. Very, very rare in this neck of the woods.
You'd rather order mud and grout the pipes in?

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sure does griz, but #6 & 7 are really important to what i'm doing here. you just strip and throw? or try to reuse parts of it on the next structure?
Duh, I mean 5 and 6

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Duh, I mean 5 and 6

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In regards to 5 & 6.....

probably 35 years ago since trying to form a DI.

but lots of recent experience using plywood to form block outs for columns etc....

never had much success trying to reuse small pieces of plywood in a form. Even using CDX or Marine grade the smaller pieces are difficult to remove from the form without damage. Form release helps some but not great.

Due to labor spent trying to save form pieces I determined it is not worth trying to reuse smaller plywood pieces. The few that may fall apart at your feet tend to have softer edges and can make it frustrating to use on the next form.

Maybe in your case have aluminum form pieces made up????
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Always order from outside vendor. Never have time to cast in place.
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Always order from outside vendor. Never have time to cast in place.
Jason, you're still forced to either mix on site, or call for ready mix for your openings. some engineers allow just grouting pipes in. here, if precast, they want a substantial crown/collar poured around the pipes.

a DI with 2 openings will take a wheel borrow full per opening.
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Reason for this. I'm working with local plastics extruding company.

Whether I buy precast, or pour on site, I still have to call for ready mix.

We're trying to put together 20 foot long plastic forms for the most common sized drop inlet sizes.

Cut to desired height, leave in place, no stripping.

It's a dual edged sword. Buy precast, and pray they meet all the desired elevations, call for ready mix and pour your crowns, or pour in place to the immediate size required.

My goal here was to find out how many of you wood use a product like this if you could pour and leave.

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I'm still trying to figure out exactly what you are talking about. Storm sewer?? Do you have a picture of the basin detail?
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I have no detail here on phone.

If you've done very much municipal storm sewer work, you'd agree most basins are 2x3, or 3x4.

What I'm working on is hopes that whether you typically cast in place or precast, this will save you a step and put more money in your pocket and give you more control on the sequence of the job.

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