I Have Never Seen A Screw Up This Bad

rbsremodeling

Don't need to use the shovel you do. Instead of sounding the alarm, you should have verified whether the footer was there and correct or not before you brought it to the HO and mention the lawyers.

So if the footer is correct you have wasted every ones time and sullied a contractors name.

Get a clue, check it out first to see if he did something wrong, then sound the bell

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oldfrt

[quote=rbsremodeling;761553]I do not see anything wrong with the footing viewing the pics provided. I think you jumped the gun on calling out the BI and talking that sue crap.

Did you dig down beside the footer to check the depth??

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For the sake of the HO,I'd hope that footing was deep enough also,but the OP was right to stop his project(costing him time and money)to ask opinions before he just hid what could haunt the HO down the line.

Before he digs down to verify anything,he needed to inform HO of this so options can be discussed.

We're just offering options for worse case sceniario.I've seen worse and the walk out could have been an afterthought that wasn't accounted for.

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mics_54

I said MITIGATION not litigation.

rbsremodeling

[quote=oldfrt;761564]Did he get a copy of the plans to see if the footing was planned? Did he make an effort to check to see if the footings were correct??

Field verifying is part of our jobs, I get paid for it myself.

He may be correct on his conclusion but calling out the dogs before he is sure sucks.

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oldfrt

Sounds like all he did was give the HO his lawyers name.I thought this was moving along the lines of possible fixes "if" there was a problem.

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rbsremodeling

How does he get to the point of handing out lawyers card without checking to see if the footing is there?

What is there to fix? What is wrong?? No one knows until some one checks to see if something is wrong.

Like i said he may be right but I would check to see if something is amiss before calling in the troops.

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mics_54

BTW...I've seen many screw ups worse than this one.

jmacd

rbsremodeling, you don't have to hire me, I wouldn't hire you, but I don't do work for free and I don't disturb brand new work performed by others, yes the plan shows a footing stepped down at the corners and that clearly isn't the case. I didn't get paid to verify other's work nor should I have to get paid, that's the inspectors job to verify the work. I also don't worry to much about the other contractors name, this is black and white. I thought you were kidding on your original post but I guess you are not kidding, so that tells me allot about you. It appears to be very easy for some of you guys to be real experts when posting on a computer. I always thought the guy that thinks he know it all usually knows the least, maybe that's the case with you? You can do your job's anyway you like you obviously are smarter than I am. If the contractor did it correct and the inspector did his inspecting than no one should have to worry now should they? Isn't the inspectors job to inspect so that's what he has to do. I don't think the lawyer will be pursuing anything until the the inspector does what he is paid to do.

neolitic

But you might mention to her
that she could have the retarded
boyfriend find the bottom of footings
before she gets into the lawyer thing.
Facts are better than guesses. JMHO....

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Upchuck

IMO, if there isn't frost protection you have 2 choices:

1. Remove doors & windows. Fill back yard to height needed for frost protection.

2. Use blocks to make steps from doors like a hatchway. Fill backyard to height needed for frost protection. Hopefully there is 48" concrete below existing windows.

Excavator & foundation guy should know the difference between 1/2 wall & full walkout. The way they damp-proofed shows they expected 1/2 wall.

jmacd

neolitic, now that is good idea and I did just that, so thank you for that idea. She is going to have the boyfriend dig down to bottom and as soon as she calls me back I will post the results. You want to put a wager on the outcome?

jmacd

The fix would be underpinning a new footing and wall.

oldfrt

Let's see.
Price of crete in wall(no step downs)

Price of concrete in deep footings

Would have been cheaper to frame in wood.

Rebar showing could be bottom of footing.


I'll go 10 to 1 it isn't done right.

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Jmacd

If there a lawsuit & HO gets someone to pay for there mistakes, underpinning would be way to go. If HO is looking for cheap fix, I think my way would be acceptable.

neolitic

No thanks.
I try to be optimistic at least
once a month.
All out til October.

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wyoming 1

Everyone keeps wanting to remove or raise the windows but keep in mind secondary egress, if those windows are in bedrooms or planned bedrooms. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Framer53

NYS is all under the code that was quoted, no exceptions!
Now will he have a problem with the BI, yep, as most are not familiar with this.

tgeb

My guess is that there is adequate frost protection from the line of the foundation coating down. Where there is no foundation coating there will be deep footings.

Based upon the photographic evidence, that is available.

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oldfrt

Is it possible that ;
Someone went in there recently,removed backfill,and cement cut the openings for the windows after the builder finished?
Look at the disturbed soil to the left of the main house,and follow what looks like a dirt stain on the fondation across the back,kind of at a slope down to the existing door.
Could of also been a smaller door there before.
Maybe the boyfriend with the skid steer made more of a mess than he should have.
Granted the foundation coating should have been done farther if this was the case,but with the stickers still on the windows and door,it got me to thinking....

Anyways,I think it's a good idea that jmacd stopped when he did,until things are cleared up.

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tgeb

I do agree that jmac did show due diligence in not proceeding with his grading.

But had this been my job I would have:

A) Gone the extra 15 minutes, grabbed a shovel off the truck and verified the location of the footing.

B) Grabbed a longer piece of rebar and verified the location of the footing.

C) Graded and seeded the lot as per contract, and if there were a foundation problem in the future......let the owner handle it with the original foundation contractor.

But stirring up a bunch of crap over what might NOT be an issue is not what I would have done.

I can't believe this thread has gone this far....it was resolved on page one.

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