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Old 01-31-2018, 01:21 PM   #1
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I've run CAT mostly, and I'm preferential to them, for a variety of reasons.

I don't mind Case, it seems like the Toyota of the equipment world, with CAT being Ford or Cadillac.

I really don't like Deere. I just got done with a week and a half rental of one, and I remember why I dislike them so much. They just seem quirky.

My problem is, I have an old TCI telehandler. TCI was bought out by Gell sometime in the '80's I believe. It's a great machine, probably could run another 40 years. I've replaced tires and hydro lines, no problem.

Well, the other day, the steering ram sheared off at the ball joint. No one can find a part for it. I've been looking all over the country, at vintage equipment part dealers, and nothing. I'm looking at least $30,000 to replace what I have, if I have to get another used machine.

One advantage to CAT is the fact that they support older equipment. I'm Po'Folk, and I can't afford to buy a new machine every couple years. I want something I can repair for years. Some of the stuff I'm looking to buy is more for the ranch and small-scale logging, than construction, so I'm not always making a ton of cash every time I fire it up.

I hope Gene will chime in on this. You have more experience than I'll ever have, and I know you don't really like CAT.




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Old 01-31-2018, 02:37 PM   #2
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My best friend is a salesman for CAT, 36 years. If one of his customers needs a part, and if it can fit in the back of his Suburban, he'll run it to their shop.

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have a pic of the part that failed?
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for me to own a cat, i have to drive 100 miles plus either way to get parts.

the deere ag dealer, could literally get EVERY part i needed overnight as long as i got my order into them by 3:30.

cat costs a significant pile more when you buy, their parts costs more, their consumables cost more.

we rotated machines at about 8k hours. for us overall cost of ownership didn't merit the cat decal.
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I think you will always* be able to get long term parts/service support with Cat, Deere/Hitachi, Komatsu and probably Kubota at this point. Case is a little more of a question as they seem to jump around on suppliers more than the other main line manufacturers* (the star is there because in many instances they just slap their name on a machine built by some other foreign manufacturer).

To me the brand doesn't really mater much as they are mostly comparable in the same machine class. It's really which machine and dealer you have a preference for and who will give you the best price at the time.

Now when it comes to New Holland, Gehl, Wacker, Takeuchi, Kobelco, Sany, Doosan, etc, etc. Are the parts/dealer going to be there in 15 years? I plan on rotating every 4-5 years and 2-3k hours so I would certainly look at an off brand if the price was right, but they usually seem to be pretty close to a main brand machine when new.
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What about Volvo. How do they fall into the lineup.

Can you just find someone to weld your part back together 7D41
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It can probably be fixed or an alternative part sourced.

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Well, the other day, the steering ram sheared off at the ball joint.
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I agree post a picture. Sounds easily fixable to me by a knowledgeable welder with a TIG setup. If not a machine shop could just make a new ram part, which won't cost $30K. You could probably just modify everything and use a different ram too. Maybe remake the mounts, put new hoses or ends on if needed and buy a new ram. Post a picture of the ram, mounts and anything else pertinent. There are a bunch of fabricators on this board after all

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have a pic of the part that failed?
That's a good idea, post a pic of what's broken.
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There are a bunch of fabricators on this board after all
Why yes, yes there are.

But agreed; I nearly posted earlier that given access to a machine shop, I could probably pretty easily repair and/or fabricate a replacement. For around tree-fitty, most likely.
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I can't comment on the Cat vs others as I have never directly owned any Cat equipment.

I also agree that your cylinder most likely can be repaired. Most cylinder repair facilities should be able to replace or make a new rod for that machine.
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Around here, there seems to be an attitude that surrounds "CAT".
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OK, since you guys asked, here goes.

These are the pics of the steering cylinder. The cylinder is fine. The ball joint sheared off.

Now for the saga.

The machine is a late '70's early '80's TCI DynaLift. Gell bought DynaLift sometime in the '80's. DynaLift still makes forklifts, but not telehandlers, so they refer all inquiries to Gell. Gell has no information on the DynaLift D4P100. Nada, Zilch.

I took the part to my local heavy equipment repair shop. They spent a week searching the country for the part, with no luck. As did I. They said, "Take it to a machine shop".

Machine shop guy said he could rebuild everything but the ball joint, and if I found a ball joint even similar, he could modify it. But he can't build it from scratch. He sent me to a heavy truck customizer to get some help.

Truck customizer sent me to a truck parts store. This was this afternoon. He is currently looking for something similar. Probably be a few days.

Truck parts guy said he's never seen a ball joint with a female end like mine. Machine shop guy said he would modify a male to a female.

Basically a transvestite ball joint.

Sorry, couldn't resist.


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There's got to be some old salty dude with a machine shop around you that can fabricate that. Is it cast or machined?
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I don't see anything "sheared off". I see a double-acting hydraulic cylinder with a ball joint on one end, and a threaded shaft on the other end, ready to receive a ball joint (I'd guess).
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The ball joint threads on it looks like. Can't be that hard to find something close and make it fit. Send it to Indiana, we can fix anything.


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Looks like McMaster Carr has a bunch of those joints.

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http://www.moog-suspension-parts.com...e_rod_ends.asp

There are a lot of female ends in the chart. You'll need to take a few measurements and enter them in the drop down menus, but I'd bet you can find a match or something that will work with a little machining.
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Yup on what the other guys are saying. Not going to be morphodite parts on that system. They would have designed as much as possible with off the shelf parts.

Too bad your machine shop guy didn't at least measure the shaft & use a thread pitch gauge so you would know what to look for.
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That pin coming out of the ball joint is just stuck in there. It pulls right out. That is the part that broke. What is left of the ball joint is all torn up inside.

The other end connects to the giant ball joint on the wheel. It bent when it came off.

Oh, and I forgot to mention, it has 2 steering cylinders per axle. One per wheel. So if it isn't a perfect match, the wheels will steer out of sync, and tear itself apart.


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