Angry About Something-septic How Does This Get You?

the_turd_man

im a septic contractor in florida. In florida its a hard thing to get.
3yr apprentice/state exam continuing education yearly. soil science
keeps the hacks out and the profits up $$$$$$$$


started a company upstate requirements? my dog could install septic tanks what gives?
every 3rd grader could pull permits, what have i got myself into?
I sure hope theres work or im screwed. and I hope that the money is there im not a cutthroat.

anyone else have issues like this or am i just being a snob?

floridas codes for septic 64-e are 2 inches thick
newyorks are a few pages

denick

T-man

Where did you start this other company?

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Nick

"Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on the labors of other men, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still receiving" Albert Einstein

the_turd_man

poughkeepsie,(all dutchess county) greene county catskills
warren co,washington county and a few stragglers 10 county spread
based in poughkeepsie and glens falls

denick

T-man,

Have you moved up to NY or are you operating this company from FL?

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Nick

"Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on the labors of other men, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still receiving" Albert Einstein

PipeGuy

Just another example of how special interest groups (in this case organized septic contractors) and "well intentioned" bureaucrats screw the average joe by implementing government regulation that limits competition and inflates costs.

If ensuring quality in workmanship and adherence to recognized standards is the objective, what does it matter if a dog installs it or a 3rd grader pulls the permit provided they "perform" in accordance with whatever requirements apply. Specifications (codes) are objective and compliance with such is inspectable. Why does government need to limit who may participate? The market has a way of eliminating those that don't consistently perform.

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the_turd_man

Hey would you rather make $500 a hour or day?
furthermore the enviorment is the critical key. Uneducation has no business in the #2 business im not brushing my teeth with your anus pal. Personaly the septic laws in my opinion should be tightened considerably. and if the hacks cant keep up they should find something more apropriate preferably not ground discharging biohazards
are we contractors? or handymen?

the_turd_man

I RUN BOTH
ny 8mos year fla in the winter (snowbird) in the summer in fla we still pump season for installs fla is heavy in the winter (snowbird season)
and vise versa ny. Im a ny native just cant deal with dec&jan&fed&mar anymore

jmic

Turd,
I'm from Ct. , but a few yrs. ago did a system in LaGrange N.Y. The system was pretty involved. I was concerned because I wasn't licensed there but met the inspector and he told me that you didn't need a septic license there and he was relieved that I was doing the system. He just felt that being licensed in Ct. taht I would be doing a better job than some of the locals that were not licensed.

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jmic

rino1494

^ ROFL

Anyways, the reason alot of states, counties or townships don't require licenses is because they don't want to hire the people to regulate it. Each township has inspectors that come out and inspect each step of a septic system. We have enough work and we don't work for nothing. I don't care if a "hack" underbids me. That just means that he has no work. I'll find something else. Word gets around and most hacks elminate themselves.

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denick

T-man

I'm from the NW part of CT we have done septic's in Columbia and Dutchess Counties in NY in the last 20 years but not many. There didn't seem to be a State Code that anyone follows it seems to be county specific.

I am alright with the lack of a licensce to do work when it is "professionally" designed and "professionally" inspected as Pipeguy was saying. As it's supposed to be in NY where we have worked. I thought some of the "professional " parts were lacking.

I was amazed in Columbia County (the last one was 5 years ago) there were no regulations, permits or requirements on septic repair.

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Nick

"Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on the labors of other men, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still receiving" Albert Einstein

PipeGuy

I'd rather make THE MOST I can over the long term, no matter how much that might be per hoiur or per day. Fortunately, I'm not so smart as to think any government regulation designed to restrict legal commerce will ever help me do that.

In my experience, most "hacks" are more than capable of doing what it takes to get a license. In fact, the worst of the hacks are those that have ample knowledge of how things are supposed to be done but use that knowledge only to secure a signed contract; not in construction of the actual improvements. Converesely, the guys that don't know enough to perform technically complex work don't last long.

If improperly constructed septc systems are a big problem in any given community, I'd suggest it more likely that it's the agencies charged with overseeing installation of such systems that need some improvement - not the guys trying to make a buck building them.

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the_turd_man

YES WHAT HE SAID!!! GREAT POST

dayexco

our local community of 20k will only issue ONE taxi company license. they're afraid if they allow competition, that we won't have any. so now we have a taxi service that doesn't provide 24 hr. service, don't want to haul anybody if they smell alcohol on them, and are very reluctant to pick up anybody from a bar. i've used them several times, and to get home from in town "4 miles".......seems like it cost me as much too get from o'hare to downtown chicago. i've found competition has made me a better contractor. and my customers know it. there has to be a reason for our repeat/referal business. they don't take that same approach to licensing sewer and water contractors. if you have sworn afadavit verifying 2 yrs of experience as installer prior to taking your contractor's test, proper ins, etc.. you're on your way..they'll let 1000 guys dig here.

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someday, i'll be as patient as Nick.

the_turd_man

maybe I was misunderstood. What I am trying to say is we have criteria to meet both in education and experience in order to be called a contractor. I guess I am just not used to it. The prices are there by my market study so I am nolonger concerned

dayexco

if the mods allow this name calling B.S. to continue, i'm outta here. take your petty spats to PM's. or better yet, email....even better yet, why don't you two just meet midway and get it over and done with? both of you and your playground banter are very nauseating.

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someday, i'll be as patient as Nick.

the_turd_man

My appologies sir, I will not offend anyone any further. It is easy to let someone get you worked up as childish as it is it happens again my appologies i am human

Nathan

Give us a chance to react. I removed posts from this thread before and now I'm doing it again... often we aren't "allowing" it we just dont' see it.

Thanks.

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tgeb

Darn it, I type too slow! I was in the middle of a pleasant response on this thread and all the good stuff was deleted.

Oh well I'll have to be quicker next time!

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www.gebcon.com

the_turd_man

EXACTLY! Maybe Im looking at it wrong and it will benifit me!
There are secondary treatment systems needed and no installers
I asked the health dept inspector some questions one day and
he said whoa thats way over my head it was pertaining to the
area soils