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Old 03-11-2017, 06:57 AM   #21
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I've looked at the 6-way, but I'm going to be using the machine for logging and stump pulling, so I need something a little heavier duty. I'm looking at either a D6 or D7. If it tilts, and I can re-cut the ditches on the roads at the ranch as well, that'd be a bonus.

I can do a passible lob grading a road with a skid steer , so a dozer will be even better.

Thanks for the assistance.


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Get a 6 way with a telescopic push frame.
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A six way on a D-6 or D-7 will be plenty tough enough for logging and stump removal.
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Can you easily rent a grader for roads? Water bars are important to the road system. Road maintenance is a constant battle against water damage, at least in wet conditions, which is where the trees grow best.

Are you planning on skidding logs with the dozer? (If so that is going to be slow going vs a wheeled skidder that can move far more rapidly for faster turns.) You can walk the trees out to a deck like location with the feller buncher.

Why pull the stump? Blow that sucker up! More fun

HUG THE TREE before you cut it

I might buy an old grader. I've seen them for 5 to 8 grand for an older one. It would work fine for a couple times a year.

I'll use the winch for pulling logs up. It's more of a selective cutting, along with some of the trees coming up some pretty steep slopes. There is also a fair amount of general grading that will be done, for a variety of reasons.

I'll be pulling stumps in areas where future construction will take place.

Where in NorCal are you? I'm up in Humboldt.





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A six way on a D-6 or D-7 will be plenty tough enough for logging and stump removal.
Do they make them? I've never seen a 6-way on anything bigger than a D4.


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Well, if the Mods are OK with it, I'm gonna kind of turn this into a general Dozer question thread.

I have a lot of operating hours under my belt, but mostly with excavator, backhoe, loader, tele handler type stuff. I haven't run ton of road-building or logging type machinery.

So I'm getting conflicting information on the elevated sprocket/Hi-Drive system. Some say that it'll throw the track on steep slopes while turning in reverse and some say the Hi-Drive increases traction. Every tracked skid-steer I've ever used had a Hi-Drive, and I've done some pretty fancy maneuvering with them. A skid-steer ain't a D7, though.

So what are some opinions on Hi-Drive vs. conventional?



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Do they make them? I've never seen a 6-way on anything bigger than a D4.


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I don't know, I haven't been around a big dozer in quite a few years.
Well, I was wrong. I just found one on MachineryTrader. 2000 something D7 with a 6-way. I think in the later models, you can get them.

Prolly out of my price range, though.

I'll probably end up going for an older D6, with a 4-way, and an even older grader for the roads.



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I might buy an old grader. I've seen them for 5 to 8 grand for an older one. It would work fine for a couple times a year.
Makes more sense to get a 6 way then buying a broken down old grader, that we will call the money pit. I would recommend renting one if needed. It will take a decade to recoup the costs otherwise.

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I'll use the winch for pulling logs up.
So you will be hand cutting trees on steep slopes? Risky business! I would assume some of those trees are massive. There is a lot to know about logging. Please be careful, my uncle was killed logging while skidding logs cross slope in the winter. My cousin wound up with over 400 stitches from a kick back. Winch cables are extremely dangerous. The list of friends and family injured or killed logging is extensive.

As of last week we finally got a line logger in to log some of our steeper sections where a feller buncher can't go. We had a fire rage thru in 2015, fortunately only taking out 600 acres of trees, but there wasn't a line logger available, so we wrote them off as a loss. Blued pine is worth nothing, and dead timber is bad for bark beetle infestations; we loose

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It's more of a selective cutting, along with some of the trees coming up some pretty steep slopes.
Do you know Forestry? I have been learning for most of my adult life and still don't know enough. We employ a Forester to help us run the logging outfit, mark trees, deal with permitting, road maintenance, and all the other hassles. We are a Certified Tree Farm, so eco logging aka selective is the right way to do it. Leave the biggest trees for propagation, taking only what is good for the land. None of this horrible clear cutting crap!

Fortunately my sister is an invasive species specialist, and we have been working to keep the land semi clear of some nasty plants, and insects. The Oregon Department of Forestry has been using our land as a basis for the last 25 years, and they were happy to certify us as a tree farm. Right now "certified" doesn't mean much but hopefully in the future the sustainable practice pays off.

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There is also a fair amount of general grading that will be done, for a variety of reasons.
6 way! Those water bars in your area are going to be VERY important. Lots of rain. Carry a shovel and while touring be prepared to stop and hand dig them if needed. Water bars will keep a road from getting taken out.

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I'll be pulling stumps in areas where future construction will take place.
I haven't done trees of your size, but we did take out a cherry orchard. We found hitting them with the blade a few times usually worked, and if not we turned around and used the ripper on one side, then went back to using the blade to push them out.

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Where in NorCal are you? I'm up in Humboldt.
Our home is in the North Bay, but our farm is in Eastern Oregon. Our Forester is headed to SoCal via 101, so I told him to visit "Tall Trees", as there is nothing else like it. He went to school there in Humbolt, but never visited that grove, and to me who lives near some of the large redwood groves they just doesn't compare, not even Lady Bird grove. Of course Lost Coast Brewery is on the tour list
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Well, I was wrong. I just found one on MachineryTrader. 2000 something D7 with a 6-way. I think in the later models, you can get them.

Prolly out of my price range, though.

I'll probably end up going for an older D6, with a 4-way, and an even older grader for the roads.



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All of the 6 way blades with telescopic push frames seem to be in the past 25 years.
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All of the 6 way blades with telescopic push frames seem to be in the past 25 years.
That's what I'm finding. And that they are kinda out of my price range.



Peter_C, good info there, thanks.

I have several personal friends, and a few acquaintances killed in logging accidents. Our project is a quite a bit smaller, as the ranch was logged about 40 years ago, and then basically left. It needs a ton of remedial work, and most of the trees are smaller, like 36" diameter average. Still, caution must be exercised.

I'm not a forester, I'll just be the equipment operator on the project. And as an EMT, the unofficial safety supervisor.

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Our project is a quite a bit smaller, as the ranch was logged about 40 years ago, and then basically left. It needs a ton of remedial work, and most of the trees are smaller, like 36" diameter average.
Eco logging can allow a 10-20 year cut rotation. Although the trees won't be 36" If you got redwoods that is a whole other ballgame.

I am not familiar with timber markets in Cali, but carefully watch the timber futures. Profits are thin, and holding the logs on deck for a few months can make a big difference. Also pay attention to government funded programs for things like thinning. The gov will also assist with putting a stewardship plan together, which can include a grazing plan, water plan, etc. These days letting livestock wander around water sources is frowned upon.
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Well, if the Mods are OK with it, I'm gonna kind of turn this into a general Dozer question thread.



I have a lot of operating hours under my belt, but mostly with excavator, backhoe, loader, tele handler type stuff. I haven't run ton of road-building or logging type machinery.



So I'm getting conflicting information on the elevated sprocket/Hi-Drive system. Some say that it'll throw the track on steep slopes while turning in reverse and some say the Hi-Drive increases traction. Every tracked skid-steer I've ever used had a Hi-Drive, and I've done some pretty fancy maneuvering with them. A skid-steer ain't a D7, though.



So what are some opinions on Hi-Drive vs. conventional?







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My understanding of the hi-drive is it was made to keep the final drive train out of the muck and crap.
Will it throw a track doing fancy maneuvering, that's probably going to depend on the condition of the rollers and rails more then anything.
Just look Cat is really the only one with hi-drive dozers.
Hi-drives weight more then their comparable counterparts, so yes you'll have increased traction.
You'll also have more cost rebuilding the undercarriage on a Hi-drive.
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Eco logging can allow a 10-20 year cut rotation. Although the trees won't be 36" If you got redwoods that is a whole other ballgame.

I am not familiar with timber markets in Cali, but carefully watch the timber futures. Profits are thin, and holding the logs on deck for a few months can make a big difference. Also pay attention to government funded programs for things like thinning. The gov will also assist with putting a stewardship plan together, which can include a grazing plan, water plan, etc. These days letting livestock wander around water sources is frowned upon.
Well, I posted this the other day, but I see that it didn't show up.

The logging I'm doing is very small scale, as logging operations go. All the timber will be milled on site, and used for timber-frame Ag buildings, on the ranch.

I would love to get a later model D7, with a 6-way, that was also beefy enough to pull stumps, but those are starting to get out of my price range.

I'll be pulling stumps in areas where construction will take place. There is a lot of remedial pasture rehabilitation, and general cleanup work around here.



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