NickTech

bill'em till ya kill'em

Bearclawz

What are you talking about...illegal. As long as the unit is not leaking more than 50 pds a year a service tech is not under any obligation to find or fix a leak unless the home owner wants it done.

beenthere

You got that leak rate a little misquoted.

Its 35% annually for a comfort cooling system containing 50 or more pounds of operating charge.

dmaxwell1

Goodman has onr of the worst repair records in every consumer report ever published, people who sell Goodman can't get the better brands.

beenthere

Consumer report is just about the worst thing you can use to evaluate anything.

I know a lot of contractors that use Goodman as their low priced option.

They sell Trane, Carrier, York, Lennox, Rheem, etc as their main line.

So I have no idea why you would think that contractors that sell Goodman can't get another brand.
Is all your info this inaccurate?

bwalley

I installed a 15 SEER Goodman Unit for a friend of mine, he wanted a variable speed AH, yet he didn't want to pay the American Standard price, so I sold him a Goodman unit, it is a good unit, I prefer American Standard, but they were quite a bit higher for their equipment.

In the past Goodman may not have been considered good equipment, but there is nothing wrong with it and if price and warranty are important to the client, there is nothing wrong with Goodman.

NickTech

it's actually 15% annual leak rate for comfort cooling, 35% for commercial or industrial process equipment containing more than 50lbs of refrig.

beenthere

LOL.. Yes it is.

thanks for the correction.

NickTech

no sweat!!

flashheatingand

Commercial & industrial is allowed to let system have an annual leak rate @ 35% while everybody else is limited to 10%? That just aint right.

beenthere

Commercial refrigeration and inductrial process is 35%.
Commercial comfort cooling is 15%

Residential, has no requirement for repair.

DCHVAC

Goodman has gotten better with their QC since married to Amana. Goodman WAS junk at one time but not any more IMHO.

flashheatingand

I don't know if that was a jab on me or Goodman. There are many reasons for my choice to sell Goodman/Amana as the primary line, but not worth getting into detail now. As a Goodman dealer, I'll admit there are things about the product that could use some modifications as well.

I know we are all competing for the same customers. If you want to say your service is better than everyone else because you do X,Y, and Z that's fine. But to steer the customer away from Goodman due to the reasons stated above, well, that's just below the belt/ unprofessional.

The reason I suggested calling the Goodman supplier was not because I think Goodman is the best as I think all brands are about the same when comparing apples to apples. Goodman sells to the small outfits. As a result, the supplier would give a reference to a good small outfit who likely will give top notch personal service as opposed to an outfit that treats their clients as if they are a number.

There are many big outfits that also give top service as well (for the record).

bwalley

I haven't installed very many Goodman units, I have seen them years ago and they were what we would call apartment units as they were small and relatively cheaply made and apartment complexes likd them because they were cheap.

The few units I have installed lately though I have been happy with and more importantly my clients have been very happy with.

One thing I liked about the Variable speed AH was it was a 3.5 ton system, but the AH section was the same for up to 5 ton, the only difference being the TXV and the condensing unit, so the client got a huge coil a Variable speed fan, and it does a great job, so far no callbacks.

The equipment is relatively in expensive when compared to American Standard.

I gave my client the choice between American Standard and Goodman, he chose Goodman based on price and features.

If a family member needed a new A/C, I would have no problem using a Goodman unit.

ambucon

good price bed leak you have problem

A.D. Const

I believe we are talking about a residential unit. "leaks should be repair whenever, possible" EPA. What do you do when you know a unit is leaking? I think you are beating a dead horse. This issue has been extensibly in this post. Guy did not get rip-off, but should correct the problem ASAP otherwise he will be spending all of his hard earn $$$$$ on that unit. This, also, has been said.

Electric_Light

If his unit was missing 5 lbs, it wouldn't be working. The law requires refrigerant to be recovered and the removed refrigerant maybe reused on the same unit and if I recall correctly, other units on the premise owned by the same owner. Otherwise, it must be sent in for reclamation.

Did he pump out your Freon, then recharged you for the Freon he put back in?

aircare

Goodman's is available to just about anyone thats why you have a high break down rate (poor instalation) If goodman was more concerned about their rep insted of pushing unitis out the door to ANYONE with money they would be better off. I put in thousands of goodmans, just about the same call back as any other brand. 1990's they were junk Janijunk to be exact.

Price of freon is what ever you want to charge if some one wants to question a price. they can go to refrigeration school, obtain a epa lic, spend the required time in the field & meet the qualifications to get a contractors Lic, open a account at the local wholesale supply store. Then he has a right to question the price. Them I would proceed to say... do the work yourself.

FrostysHeating

Backwoods,
I quite agree. Freon in Atlanta is between $40 and $80 a lb here as well. For 5 lbs it's a minimum of $200 plus the service call. If there is more than 1.5-2lbs missing, there is a decent leak and should be leak tested and repaired.

Mr. Frosty

21gun

My hvac guy tried to charge me 50 bucks tonight to come and top off my unit... took a pound or so of r-22 (and he put it in slow and liquid, not fumes... what ever that means) the inside coil was dirty so i cleaned that real quick and saved him from getting dirty... said and done... he wanted 50 bucks for an hour.... from 7-8:00 tonight...
asked if 50 was ok with me... i said hell friggin no...
I know his wife wasn't feeling good...and he had just ate dinner and had to run...so i MADE him take 70 bucks. I know an extra 20 aint gonna buy no new shoes... but i know i like to get atleast a fiddy in my pocket at that hour... plus he has to drive 20 mins to get back home...his gas... etc...

i guess 200 sounds good... kept you cool for a while atleast...but that leak has got to be looked into. OZONE and all you know....seriously...that sounds a bit irresponsible to just blow and go... but i dont know the whole story...

Every one charges different. It's up to the customer... in every market... to do their homework...compare prices... ask questions...

I dont mark up material either... instead i charge what i think i need to cover the expenses/ overhead and keep a little money too. That dirty word "profit"..... we all need to make money... i am not ashamed of my prices, they're not high or low in my opinion.... but no one ever tries to haggle me down when i give them a bid. Suppose i could raise the price a small bit... But what if i dont get as many jobs then? I'll loose 200 a day for that job... instead of making an extra 20? I'll have to remember the post about paying yourself like you would an employee... I think i need a raise and a week off too!!! That's a good way of looking at things i like that.

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