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12-08-2006, 07:35 AM
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Boiler Diagram
One of my new service guys isn't really great with boilers. Since it is heating season and not the best time to train someone, I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can get a good piping diagram of a gas fired boiler system. Something with all the components and maybe some wiring if possible. I can find anything in my books.
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12-08-2006, 09:11 AM
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Sorry to say every install is different so the only generic piping diagrams I can think of would be a manufacturures basic installation guide. These aren't training matirial but sould help anyone identify the basic components and tell you if they're in or out of place.
As to the wiring again try down loading a couple of different manuals from the same manufaturures sites. And that's the best I can think of, sorry.
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12-08-2006, 09:52 AM
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I have to agree with Hurley. Every job is different, however there are some "basics" he can learn. If you have a Burnham Boilers dealer near you stop in and ask them for a little guide called "Burnham Hyrdonics Heating Helper". It doesn't have any wiring, but it does go over basic piping as well as tons of other great info.
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12-08-2006, 03:36 PM
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LWF: Try this WWW.HEATINGHELP.COM Dedicated website for hvac, great folks, lots of info. If there is any place to get ur answers this is it.
JackM
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays
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12-08-2006, 05:53 PM
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Burnham has a fantastic booklet that has just what you need. It is called "The Burnham Heating Helper". It was originally published 6/93, and is on the 12th edition now. I checked their website just now, and it isn't available as a .PDF file. It is absolutely worth tracking down, however, because it is the best hip pocket booklet on steam boilers and hydronic heating that I've ever seen. It contains detailed piping diagrams and common wiring diagrams, among loads of other goodies.
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12-09-2006, 06:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mdshunk
Burnham has a fantastic booklet that has just what you need. It is called "The Burnham Heating Helper". It was originally published 6/93, and is on the 12th edition now. I checked their website just now, and it isn't available as a .PDF file. It is absolutely worth tracking down, however, because it is the best hip pocket booklet on steam boilers and hydronic heating that I've ever seen. It contains detailed piping diagrams and common wiring diagrams, among loads of other goodies.
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lol, That's what I said above. 
Actually, I am a Burnham dealer and have a few extras in my desk. LWF, if you ask nicely  I might even send one in the mail to you. Shoot me a pm with your address if ya want.
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12-09-2006, 07:18 PM
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lol, That's what I said above. . |
Sorry, I didnt' read that.
Well, that makes two votes for Burnham's booklet.
Other choices are "Doolin's Troubleshooter's Bible" and "The Lost Art of Steam Heating". They are both pretty high-dollar books.
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12-21-2006, 04:58 PM
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I'm installing my own boiler and radiant floor heating with baseboards in my house, I picked up a few books by Dan Holohan the names are The Golden rules of Hydronic Heating and Hydronic Radiant Heating a practical guide for the Nonengineer installer, and The lost art of steam heating. He has the basic drawings and the books are easy to understand. I'm getting ready to pipe my system so I am reading them now.
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12-23-2006, 09:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by QWIKWHIP
lol, That's what I said above.
Actually, I am a Burnham dealer and have a few extras in my desk. LWF, if you ask nicely I might even send one in the mail to you. Shoot me a pm with your address if ya want. |
do thank that you could please send me one ?--send to wayne helmick 813 ohio ave morgantown wv 26501 --brook electrical service and hvac ---thank you
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11-17-2007, 10:47 AM
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fyi - the burnham heating helper pdf
is here; http: // burnham. com /pdf/htghelper.pdf
in order to post it, i circumvented the 15 post/url rule, so use the typical format for the above address
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11-17-2007, 10:58 AM
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12-01-2007, 06:43 PM
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look up the institue of boilers and radiation, IBR they should have anything you could want
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12-11-2007, 08:14 PM
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Similar free lessons are at heatpro us
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12-12-2007, 03:38 PM
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Dan is considered the foremost authority on hydronic and steam systems there is. :} Plus he is a great guy and will help anyone he can.
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12-12-2007, 03:51 PM
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Yes. He has completely replaced and superceded the IBR Schools. His practical experience teaching Master Plumbers is appreciated in the magazine publishing area.
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12-25-2007, 09:20 PM
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Great answers you got here, I'd add my two cents If you may.
First thing to do, don't let your man any where near a steam boiler, actually teach him how to recognize a steam boiler from hydronic boiler (or steam from water period). Should go through PRV's, hartford loops and the likes.
Steam could cut you man's head off, or worse, he could blow the whole darn place up.
Second, have him hit the codes and make him do some reading on his own time, NFPA 54, 85, etc. if he does not read about safety, he has no business being in the boiler business.
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12-25-2007, 09:47 PM
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A series piping diagram
A-Supply pipe E-Piping above floor between units
B-Return pipe F-Flow control valve.
C-Circulating pump G-Air vent
D-Tee and cap (drains) H-Purge valves to flush air from loop
http://www.heatpro.us/designtree/doc...76515F5C8.html
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12-26-2007, 05:41 PM
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Atlas: Awwwwwwwwwwwww Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan u taking all the FUN outta  it LOL LOL Steam will humble even the best uf us :}:}:}:}
Teach him well on hydronic and when he thinks he is Hot *hit THEN show him steam  
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12-28-2007, 12:02 PM
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Unless you're into antiques, why bother. There's no way to get efficiency from huge pipes that have to get to 212F on each cycle, that can't be zoned inexpensively. If there were, hot water heat wouldn't have need evolve. Steam for process in industry and tall buildings is necessary, for homes NOT! One way to avoid thinking about efficiency and 30% fuel savings is to get all cutesy about the 'old days' with steam heated homes and wood stoves; that way you can still sell non-condensing 84% boilers when fuel triples in price against 94% boilers. Blind is sometimes profitable.
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01-01-2008, 02:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Frankawitz
I'm installing my own boiler and radiant floor heating with baseboards in my house, I picked up a few books by Dan Holohan the names are The Golden rules of Hydronic Heating and Hydronic Radiant Heating a practical guide for the Nonengineer installer, and The lost art of steam heating. He has the basic drawings and the books are easy to understand. I'm getting ready to pipe my system so I am reading them now.
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I have to agree loved the books and they are good 
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