Unlicensed Handyman KILLS 4 Month Old Girl.

Splinter

Do we have to play this silly little game? Here's another thing I posted at some point...

I had the discussion with Grumpy about doing some "average under $10K suburban long island" bathrooms, and IMO, soldering in a shower valve is not far off from sweating on some angle stops... But hey, I used to sweat and braze copper from 3/8" up to 6 inches in diameter for a living... Maybe sweating a shower valve is more difficult for you?

Really... I'm done... I thought it would be nice to discuss stuff with other trades, and have some civilized debates around here and learn something new, but I dont ever see it happening. You guys can live in your angry little world, I want no part of it.

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- Alex

Long Island Remodeling Contractor

22rifle

Awww... don't go away mad now! It's like a job site. Give and take. You gave, now you take. Life goes on.

Ron The Plumber

Hay 22

What I don't understand here is why he would flat out lie to me, he said he would use a plumber when ever there was plumbing to be done, and then I find this was not at all true.

I asked a simple question and he just tried to cover up his tracks by lies.

22rifle

I understand. It's the same old, same old. You and I have seen this crap for as long as we have been in the trades.

Grumpyplumber

I find it odd that he picks a thread about a 4 month old dying from a handy-hack doing unlicensed work to pick this fight.

I feel like I just had it out with my ten year old on why he can't just take other kids toys without asking.
I have nailed my share of 2x4's, so now it's time to do my own bath remodels.

ChillaWatt

I don't know how GCs got into the blame here. The ones that should be held accountable are the landlord for not hiring a licensed plumber and the handymen if they contracted illegally. Here in Cali, you have to be licensed to contract for $500 or more, and more importantly, to pull permits. This job would require a permit, so the 1st handyman would be to blame as well. A lot of GCs also have a plumbing and/or elec. license, so don't even say they are like a handyman. They had to go through all the **** to become licensed and pay a hell of a lot more to be insured, and deal with a lot more stress than a plumber does. Just because you have to work under one isn't justification to denigrate them. Now if a GC was responsible for this mess, then he should be held accountable. Tis not the case here.

-Chilla

skyhook

Point is, are you licensed? Do you do side work? Not that it matters to me. I worked for a plumbing contractor before I was a licensed GC, infact he gave me a cert. to help me become a licensed GC.

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mdshunk

Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya
O Lord, kumbaya...

Ron The Plumber

http://www4.cbs.state.or.us/ex/all/m...me&group_id=30

Type in 5438JP

I don't do side work. I may at times work on family member homes, which I'm allowed to do in this state, but not allowed to do non-family member homes,

rbsremodeling

Whose Ronald Warren??

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skyhook

You have my respect. Thanks for the link.

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Ron The Plumber

You don think it was going to say Ron The Plumber did you?

rbsremodeling

Ronald "Da Plumber" Warren

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Ron The Plumber

Your funny

JBBS

Man I need to switch trades. We never have this much excitement in the specialty coatings forum! I feel like the damn Maytag repairman waiting around for something to happen! Plumbers and sparkys
have all the fun!

rbsremodeling

You would need to go to school and spent years as an apprentice to enjoy that type of excitement. I just thank god for Contractor talk that they allow me participate in these discussions especially being a low level remodeler

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Grumpyplumber

Nobody is knocking legitimate GC's.

The trouble is that some members come here and make that claim.
There are unlicensed hacks that label themselves GC's and skip licensed, insured & legitimate help on work they shouldn't be touching, then heap themselves into the same category as legitimate GC's.

Part of that problem is the fact that some states prerequisites for licensing for GC's can be very lenient, the other part is the guys that bluff their way through with no licenses at all.
It becomes a problem when small remodeling "contractors" fly under the radar by avoiding expenses they shouldn't be, then legitimate contractors con't compete.
Then you have a news story about a 4 month old baby dying in an explosion because some slumlord wanted to save a few bucks & he stumbled onto one of them to do the work on the cheap.
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skyhook

A Night at the Forum

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joasis

I don't see where the attack on GC's is coming from here....many of us long time members know who and who isn't real. If a plumber came at me with an attitude many of you guys display on the forum, he will seek work elsewhere.

To be exact, I do listen when the plumber, hvac tech, or electrician have issues...that is what I do, fix problems. I also am the fully responsible person and I make the determination about how the job will be done. Maybe some of you have run across some real winners out there, but that isn't here.

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Ron The Plumber

Not all on here do that, it's the ones that come in here and ask us plumbers how to install sometime is the ones I'm talking about, which have GC or others titles under there name, they have no business messing with the plumbing if there not licensed to do so. You don't see plumbers asking plumbers how to install something do you, no, why, cause we already know how.

They do it for the sake of revenues in there business, they don't care if they take work away from the plumbers, I'm glad here in Oregon the Contracting laws protect the trades, sideline GC's here, if caught doing work there not licensed to will get fined.

Hope that cleared up my comment.