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Trade: Carpentry
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Location: MA.
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Underage Workers
Do you have anyone who has come to you asking for a summer job, and I'm not talking about some dumb a$$ who deserves nothing more than a freezer full of burgers and a deep fryer, I'm referring to the hardworking, dedicated kids (16+) who show they want to learn something. What would be the limitations you'd give them? And how far would the law extend towards what they can do?
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Trade: Siding, Windows, Seamless Gutters, Metal Roofing
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Re: Underage Workers
Since your are from MA as I am, first and foremost, NO ROOFING, I dont even think they can be on the ladder or the staging. Even the rules about ground clean up are pretty strict, you have to be able to show that they have NOTHING to do with the roof. Other than that, it would have a lot to do with the kid. But mostly clean up and hauling, stripping siding, ripping off shutters, light demo etc
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Trade: Building and Remodeling
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Re: Underage Workers
This is something you should discuss with your insurance agent.
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Thom
Trade: General Contractor/Homebuilder
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Re: Underage Workers
I believe construction is a hazardous occupation by law. If that's the case, you cannot employ them if they are under 18. You could employ your own child though.
If you hired them to do a non-construction thing like washing windows etc, that would probably be fine. They cannot drive on/for company business. Though they can drive to/from the job, driving is also a hazardous occupation. Assuming the above is true and I believe it is, it would be both a violation of law and of your insurance to hire a minor to do this work. Any injury to the minor could result in you personally paying penalties for gross negligence. |
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Trade: carpentry/remodeling/"Yes M'am we do"
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Re: Underage Workers
When I was a kid, we had to get a
work permit under if under 18. You might look here: http://www.mass.gov/?pageID=elwdagen...afety&sid=Elwd If I remember correctly we were allowed to serve as mastodon wranglers.
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Re: Underage Workers
I would never put my (hypothetical) child or anyone elses' in harms way. I just wanted to get some other opinions. He says he wants to learn how to frame, hes been around construction for awhile and knows the basics. At least he'll know how to read plans by the end of the summer.
Thanks for the replies, the only thing he'll be doing is sweeping.
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Re: Underage Workers
I started working on jobsites at fourteen.
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Trade: Electrical; Commercial and Residential Service
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Re: Underage Workers
I'm in favor of child labor.
I do know that kids under 18 can't use power saws. |
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Re: Underage Workers
unless you run an Amish crew, under 18 is verboten. OSHA says no, most insurance companies say no, most states departments of labor say no.
allowing a child can result in a great amount of liability. Should the kid get hurt, simply sign everything you own over to his parents and apologize. |
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Re: Underage Workers
You are soooooo wrong about that. Prove it! There are definitely tasks that a child under 18 may not do on a construction site, and there are definitely tools that a child under 18 may not operate. You are sorely mistaken that a person under 18 may not be employed in construction, however. Way, way, way wrong.
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Re: Underage Workers
California here...under 18 but over 16
Parents must sign a release or acknowledgement, maximum 16 hrs per week (I'm not sure about summer time) plus common sense on what they can do and operate
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Re: Underage Workers
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I'll give it to you but the limitations are so great that what can be performed by somebody under 18 is so limited it is hardly worth the effort. I will still stand by the insurance situation and the liability situation. A minor cannot waive their rights or enter into contracts in most circumstances so a injury to a minor can still be more than you want to take on. |
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Trade: carpentry/remodeling/"Yes M'am we do"
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Re: Underage Workers
According to the Indiana Department of Labor:
"Child labor laws prohibit workers aged 14, 15 from working in construction, except when performing office work away from the construction site. Other laws that apply to all workers under age 18 prohibit several tasks associated with construction, for instance occupations in excavation, roofing, wrecking, demolition and ship breaking operations. For a complete list of prohibited occupations please contact the U.S. Department of Labor." For some reason I cannot copy and paste the document here.
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Re: Underage Workers
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Re: Underage Workers
the list I posted for Cali is the federal rules which apparently are what Indiana also observes.
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Re: Underage Workers
Oh, and they still have to get a work permit
under 18.
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