I Fear For My Safety

eekie34

Know too many union bums around here. only do so much footage in a day, this is not my job, I can't touch that mentality etc... great if you are in, but they are big milk machines. they come in 4x of what jobs should cost, but all political here.

UNION 101

MILK MACHINES................ There are people on every job across the board who milk their work. every trade. everywhere. It is up to the individual to expand, excel and show what they have. Me, I can work 12 months a year every year because I'm employable. I get things done. I was on this one job 2 years ago, helping a family friend to do a minor addition. The players on his team were so unknowleged and so inexperienced in doing THE JOB RIGHT. I was in awe. The trusses on the job, were just thrown around up on the roof, not on 16z or nothing. one was 10 the next was 18 the next was off that mark. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. After I pulled them off and reset them, THE RIGHT WAY, I was talking to the homeowner and the wanted cathedral ceilings........ I was like huh...? there are trusses on your roof. NO CATHEDRAL CEILING. she wanted sky lights too. This contractor was awful. just doing whatever he wanted. Maybe in the next few post I will start exposing this guy for what he is worth. The boss drinks on the job all day, drives, he has no licence. DWI's all over the place and I'm like how does this guy get work.... I just don't get it. His tools were hurting, all stolen.... he goes to PHILA, and someone there meets him and sells him tools. THIS GUY IS A THEIF, I said to myself. I am going to start a thread on dead beat contractors and I am going to put on the table all of these bogus, untrained, horrific, "don't know how to stay sober" type of people and companies..... The UNION has brought to me knowledge and the will to do things the right way. I am certified in numerous areas, OSHA 30, CPR, ICF, Scaffold, .........just to name a few. We also can do a job start to finish. from rough out to paint. UNNION is the way for some and unspeakable acts of mistrained carpentry is practiced by others.

22rifle

Do you ever see non-union guys that do work as good as the union guys?

concretemasonry

Union guys usually do good work, but that is no guarantee. It is easy to get by if you know the ropes - look at the U.S. Congress.

I know of union guys that do great work and do occassionally work non-union because they can make more money. - This would not happen in that small part of the U.S (eastern PA, NJ, NYC etc.). They do it because they are valuable.

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K2

The American middle class wouldn't be chit without the unions . Less than 100 years ago a company owner could turn machine guns against striking workers who were asking for humane working conditions and burn down the workers homes... But today we pretty much cut our own throats on this issue. Might as well finish the job we're doing so well.

grizl

yeah, back then they were neccesary. Perhaps they do good in places. Around my neck of the woods all I can see is that they are setting about to the destoy my families company that is a small company that does big work. We are competition and the union doesn't "think this town is big enough"

Someone above said nonunion capenters don't to good work. That is hilarious. We do quality work. That's why we do so well.

grizl

Somthing else funny happened the other day.
so these picketers, They are yelling and yelling, the mason forman walks right up to em with a radio and cranks a gospel station. Then he comes back with three sledge-hammers and puts them near by. He then yells that if anyone touches the radio he's going to have five masons beating there asses. Priceless.

Snow Man

go union , then start a scab shop like the rest of them. most likely the gentlemen there will be working for you.

unions are like affirmative action.

even though you cannot perform the job , you still get paid the same amount as someone who can.

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K2

Yeah back then it was necessary for the middle working class to stick together but today it is no longer necessary because why?

I'll guess we'll see over the next few years if the middle class can even sustain.

nap

Oh, I see. Every company treats their employees fairly; pays good wages; provides good healthcare; and provides a system to officially grieve problems.

If the unions would go away, you would find safety, pay, and general treatment of employees head downhill very fast.

apparently my area is the only place in the country that this is not true (sarcasm).

If you are worthless, you get sent down the road. The contractors must make money to stay in business. It is just as important for the union workers to be productive as the open shop counterparts. I just love how everybody says a union worker gets away with incompetence and poor production. Since the pay and bene's are greater, typically, than a non-union counterpart, it is actually more important the worker be worth his salt. Contractor isn't going to stay in business very long if all he does is lose money.

Maybe they like gospel.

What a stupid threat. It would tend to instigate action rather than prevent it. Since the mason did threaten and did place the hammers in view, he is already guilty of a crime. If the picketers stay on public property and the masons come out and start problems, who do you think is going to jail? It would be obvious who the agressor is.

About 1/3, if not more, of the union tradesmen I know have a concealed carry permit. (and actively carry). If a hammer was lifted, I would guess there would be a good chance of a dead mason. Don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

22rifle

Can you please tell us what was illegal about the mason's actions?

grizl

Whatever dude,
these union fag friends of yours are actively trying to shut my families company down.
We get full benefits, and good pay. We can do the work cheaper because their is less overhead.
They are assholes, they chant all day. Most days is fine, today its getting old. The story about the masons was funny I thought. What else can you do. Any suggestions? Exactly, nothing. Ignore them till the end of my career. Or till they succeed. You think the industry would go downhill huh?
that's neat. I don't think so.
Ya know I don't care if your union or not, but if your gonna yell at me all day like these subhuman losers.
I'm thinkin' of taking action into my own hand.
who knows tomorrow i could go back to laughing it off or it could be the day I snap. chanting negativity at me all day. concealed carry permit huh. I look into getting one. though I'm usually to busy working to carry a gun. union guys in my area don't have that problem.

neolitic

Provocation and threats of violence,
if things do go south, he has set himself
up for charges.

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K2

So your saying your a non union shop in a strong union city, where the union sets the bar, and your company does well, but the union wants to share in your sucesses because the union set set the bar. And you don't want to share. ....

You could go to a non union city or a no union city where there no one set any bar and see if you can scratch out a living. ...

Labor wars were a big part of Colorado history but the unions here seem to have disolved over time. I love the stories of striking miners with unlimited access to dynamite and the ability to use it. In 1896 the state militia was sent in to quel the strikers in Cripple Creek and the miners blew the street out from under the militia. Nobody died that day but a bunch of militia guys quit.

22rifle

Pretty hard to make charges stick on the provocation.

You do know he wasn't threatening them with the sledgehammers don't you? You know he put them there to tempt the union thugs to smash the radio right?

neolitic

Just saying what is.
I know how it would go down here.

I don't make the rules. You'll know
when I do.

You will wake up happy, and plumbers
and carpenters will no longer argue.

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Chris Johnson

On larger jobs I have had the union show up, always a rep never a mob. When I was the site super I would inform them the project was private on private property and they had to leave. Only once did I have a die-hard who insisted he had the right to be there under some California court ruling I had never heard of...neither did the cops when they escorted him away. He never came back and several months later I saw his picture in the paper..in hand cuffs being helped off another construction site about 30 miles away...the union has it's place, guys like that give it a bad name.

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22rifle

BTW, the comment I made about "You know this and this blah, blah, blah"? Well, I didn't pay attention to who had replied to me. I thought it was the guy I had originally the question of. He was the one making it sound like the mason was threatening the union thugs with the sledge hammers, not you. So my comment didn't apply to you at all. I screwed up by not paying attention to who I was talking to. Sorry about that.

grizl

That is not what I'm saying. There are a few large union companies in our city. Perhaps they set the bar too high. I just heard yesterday on the radio from an economic expert of some kind that unions Artificially Inflate the Industry. Bing, that makes a lot of sense.
Picketing is common practice with unions, it's how they compete. Dirty competition. If a company start doing good, they might try an stamp you out.

Winchester

I don't ever hear of things like that where I'm from. Interesting though.

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