I Fear For My Safety

Justbuilding · 10-02-2008, 08:56 PM

Out of curiosity, if your company "pays similiar benefits/ wages" what is the advantage to being non-union?

grizl · 10-03-2008, 02:19 PM

My parents are the ones who started the company and run it today. I do not know the specific benefits on there end other than having more freedom and flexibility. There are only three people total who work the office end. Why would they want a larger force overseeing and shadowing what they do. Looking at it from a financial perspective it would cost them more. From the worker point of view we can enjoy more freedoms. Hrs, breaks when we want to take them. As long as we get our hrs. in and the job done, everyone is happy.
Me personally, after years of experiencing unwarranted hatred from Some union workers I could never go union. Especially when they work so hard to shut out a good company.

dayspring · 10-03-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mickeyco

Did they bring out the giant rat, I love the giant rat.

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OK, I'm a dummy, What the heck is the GIANT RAT?

neolitic · 10-03-2008, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dayspring

OK, I'm a dummy, What the heck is the GIANT RAT?

I feel a graphic coming on.

SLSTech · 10-03-2008, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by neolitic

I feel a graphic coming on.

Google anyone

grizl · 10-03-2008, 10:23 PM

nice, i haven't seen that one. The one I saw on one of our job was a guy in a rat costume.

neolitic · 10-03-2008, 10:42 PM

Yeah, I like the filth mated mangy fur one.

BirmanBuilders · 10-04-2008, 02:52 PM

Funniest thing I ever saw on a jobsite which the union picketed, was the giant rat. The next day the boss went out and bought an even bigger inflatable cat and placed it behind the fence, union wasn't impressed but we thought it was great. End of the day we all have to work, we've all got bills. What I find unbeleavable is the salaries these so called union reps make. And it takes three of them to turn up in different vehicles. Nice to see your union dues going where it's needed. Had loads of union guys calling looking for work, they said the union doesn't help them find work and some were told get whatever you can. Just don't forget to keep up your union dues though, those rep company cars don't pay for themselves.

SLSTech · 10-04-2008, 04:57 PM

You should have gotten a picture of that.

Seems like someone had a similar idea

Story on this one here - http://gothamist.com/2005/10/27/cat_...music_hall.php

Want your own rat - http://www.bigskyballoons.com/ratpack.html - of course you can also get a big TRex to do battle with it from them also

Cdat · 10-05-2008, 01:49 PM

My other job, I have a bunch of union guys work for me. If we work a Saturday, we can have only so many people in the building or else the top manager has to be there too. So, we have a set amount of workers come in. Low houred workers are given 1st crack. This total amount of workers includes any union people in the building, so every union steward or chairman working, that means one less actual worker. Last Saturday, I had 15 people working for me. 3 were union rep's. Chairman, Steward and their Benefit's Rep. From what I can see is, the Union takes care of their own 1st. Their own are not the hourly people but the Union Rep's.

Cdat · 10-05-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Justbuilding

Out of curiosity, if your company "pays similiar benefits/ wages" what is the advantage to being non-union?

No union dues. No one else telling you how to do your job or when to do your job. Additional people having to be paid for doing non-work (union) so to make up the cost, the owner would 1st cut wages. THAT is why people go non-union.

grizl · 10-05-2008, 04:29 PM

http://www.nrtw.org/free-tagging/union-violence

Justbuilding · 10-05-2008, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cdat

No union dues. No one else telling you how to do your job or when to do your job. Additional people having to be paid for doing non-work (union) so to make up the cost, the owner would 1st cut wages. THAT is why people go non-union.

In my area at least, there isn't a cost to the company for being signatory to the union. Just an agreement to pay the union wage to their employees. Dues are the responsibility of the union member. Don't know what you mean by people being paid for doing non work. If someone is in fact paying similar to union wages/ benefits then I'm not sure what the benefit is to being non-union for a company.

A employee always has someone telling them how and when to do their job, union or non. Usually the union employee is better paid, and has health benefits, a pension. And really,will all those who don't want to make more money and be able to take care of their families please speak up and say so.

I get all the union bashing, there are certainly people who are slackers just getting a paycheck in the union, but those people exist outside the union as well. Usually those people don't stay with any company for very long. The union doesn't force people on me, and if someone doesn't cut it, I'm sorry I'm downsizing my crew. I'll find someone who wants to work.

nap · 10-06-2008, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JonM

Camcorder....tape everything while they are carrying on...

...you may need it someday.

Unless the person doing the recording is a party to the conversation, it is illegal to record the audio portion. Even if the person recording is a party, Wisconsin apparently does not allow such a recording for evidence except for drug and murder trials.

UNION 101 · 10-06-2008, 10:03 PM

The union is the only way to go. This day and age, benefits, vaca, pension, annuity. Job security, unemployment if work is slow.... No under the table bull...... You can only make more, never less. There are shlubs everywhere, but they keep me working, if they are unemployable, i am very willing to take their work and be employable. Union is taught by codes and right and wrong. By the best teachers available throughout the union....... Non union you roll the dice with your employer.... Most likely, half assers who hire illegal citizens and so on. They were never trained in proper use and know how. Simply put....... The end

concretemasonry · 10-06-2008, 10:48 PM

I know of some guys that are union members. In the summer, they take a withdrawal/leave and work piecework on open shop jobs. When things slow up, they go back into the union jobs and work steadily because they are good enough to be needed.

In the end, they make more money in the summer doing piecework and allow the rookies and apprectices to get some time. - It is good for everyone. The union collects the dues, since the amount of union work is adequate for the "rookies" to learn on. If the guys with the "whiskers" did not wirhdraw, the kids would not learn and the union would not be able to be maintained.

The union is just a business and needs dues and some new blood to keep going and protect the rights of the older members since the influence is shrinking.

For a contractor, it is an advantage to be smart enough to know the rules and how to go "double breasted" or maintain craftsmen and cover yourself no matter which political wind blows, but he has to be able to compete. This may not work in some of the more "political" eastern areas.

22rifle · 10-06-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by union 101

no under the table bull......

roflmao!

Proud Plumber · 10-07-2008, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by joasis

There is strength, or in this case, intimidation with numbers, but how brave would the head duck be with a 24 ounce claw hammer buried in his shoulder?

So how many other guys would do what i would do? Not back off an inch?

rbsremodeling · 10-07-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by joasis

I just have to be thankful for living in Oklahoma. This stuff doesn't happen here...this is gun country, and intimidation has about a 50/50 chance of turning deadly....not to mention that fistfights are still not that unusual here. I may be the lone voice, but I wouldn't have let anyone force me off a jobsite in the circumstances you describe. They would have had to been armed to do so....and hope I didn't have anything close....nail gun, framing hammer, or forklift.

One lesson I learned long ago about dogs and bullies.....99% of the time, it is all bluff....the 1% you need to know how to fight or bite harder then the dog....if faced with 20 guys...yeah, it would be scary, but I am just hard headed enough to tell the head bozo I won't be alone at the hospital....I would take one or more with me...and I know this tactic works. There is strength, or in this case, intimidation with numbers, but how brave would the head duck be with a 24 ounce claw hammer buried in his shoulder?

Is it worth violence? Probably not....maybe I carry the thought too far, but hey, that is why we post here. So how many other guys would do what i would do? Not back off an inch?

200%. got your back on this

I am a fun loving guy to no end. But crap like this boils my blood. My daddy taught me to defend myself at the age of 8. I got a whoppen if I lost a fight and my pops found out.

I would kindly ask the offender to please get out my face twice after that. LETS GET READY TO RUMMBBLLLEEE

K2 · 10-07-2008, 07:08 PM

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I wouldn't mind having a stronger union presence around here.

I'd like to see more union in my city too.

10-02-2008, 08:56 PM	#21
Justbuilding View Profile Justbuilding Member Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (61) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Member Trade: Commercial Construction Join Date: May 2008 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 61	Re: I Fear For My Safety Out of curiosity, if your company "pays similiar benefits/ wages" what is the advantage to being non-union?

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grizl View Profile grizl grizl Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (58) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity grizl Trade: carpenter Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: wisconsin Posts: 58	Re: I Fear For My Safety My parents are the ones who started the company and run it today. I do not know the specific benefits on there end other than having more freedom and flexibility. There are only three people total who work the office end. Why would they want a larger force overseeing and shadowing what they do. Looking at it from a financial perspective it would cost them more. From the worker point of view we can enjoy more freedoms. Hrs, breaks when we want to take them. As long as we get our hrs. in and the job done, everyone is happy. Me personally, after years of experiencing unwarranted hatred from Some union workers I could never go union. Especially when they work so hard to shut out a good company.

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SLSTech View Profile SLSTech Sean Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (4,515) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Sean Trade: General Contractor Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Cullman, AL Posts: 4,515	Re: I Fear For My Safety You should have gotten a picture of that. Seems like someone had a similar idea Story on this one here - http://gothamist.com/2005/10/27/cat_...music_hall.php Want your own rat - http://www.bigskyballoons.com/ratpack.html - of course you can also get a big TRex to do battle with it from them also __________________ Alabama Full Service Remodeling, Renovation, and Preservation by SLS Construction Certified Energy Efficiency Audits, Ratings, Modeling, Verifications, & Consulting Residential, Commercial, & Industrial Infrared Thermography Scans

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Cdat View Profile Cdat egotistical prick Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (2,633) Photos (9) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity egotistical prick Trade: Wood Inlay Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Swartz Creek, Michigan Posts: 2,633	Re: I Fear For My Safety My other job, I have a bunch of union guys work for me. If we work a Saturday, we can have only so many people in the building or else the top manager has to be there too. So, we have a set amount of workers come in. Low houred workers are given 1st crack. This total amount of workers includes any union people in the building, so every union steward or chairman working, that means one less actual worker. Last Saturday, I had 15 people working for me. 3 were union rep's. Chairman, Steward and their Benefit's Rep. From what I can see is, the Union takes care of their own 1st. Their own are not the hourly people but the Union Rep's.

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UNION 101 View Profile UNION 101 SKILLS COMP 06/08 Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (7) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity SKILLS COMP 06/08 Trade: carpenter Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 7	Re: I Fear For My Safety The union is the only way to go. This day and age, benefits, vaca, pension, annuity. Job security, unemployment if work is slow.... No under the table bull...... You can only make more, never less. There are shlubs everywhere, but they keep me working, if they are unemployable, i am very willing to take their work and be employable. Union is taught by codes and right and wrong. By the best teachers available throughout the union....... Non union you roll the dice with your employer.... Most likely, half assers who hire illegal citizens and so on. They were never trained in proper use and know how. Simply put....... The end

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concretemasonry View Profile concretemasonry Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (2,452) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Pro Trade: Masonry consultant Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MSP, Minnesota Posts: 2,452	Re: I Fear For My Safety I know of some guys that are union members. In the summer, they take a withdrawal/leave and work piecework on open shop jobs. When things slow up, they go back into the union jobs and work steadily because they are good enough to be needed. In the end, they make more money in the summer doing piecework and allow the rookies and apprectices to get some time. - It is good for everyone. The union collects the dues, since the amount of union work is adequate for the "rookies" to learn on. If the guys with the "whiskers" did not wirhdraw, the kids would not learn and the union would not be able to be maintained. The union is just a business and needs dues and some new blood to keep going and protect the rights of the older members since the influence is shrinking. For a contractor, it is an advantage to be smart enough to know the rules and how to go "double breasted" or maintain craftsmen and cover yourself no matter which political wind blows, but he has to be able to compete. This may not work in some of the more "political" eastern areas. __________________ Dick Engineer, designer and consultant recently active domestically and internationally on construction and design in about 35 countries.

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