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Old 01-03-2018, 11:28 AM   #1
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So we recently did a job in Boston MA at an apartment building. The owner wanted 2 cat6 per floor to the electric closet on each floor. So there was existing unused 2" emt that ran from the first floor upto the roof out to the boiler room. So what we did was on each floor cut the conduit and added and aluminum emt C-fitting. We then drilled a hole out of the back of the C-fitting and put a one way grommet in and pulled our cables out to each closet. This was the first time we have ever done anything like this. It was kind of a custom job. Anyways after we were done they had another contractor come in to do work and saw what we did and said it was illegal because once we drilled the holes it was no longer UL listed. So now the customer is trying to have us Come rerun the cables at our cost. Please any advice on this would help allot thanks.
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Old 01-03-2018, 11:41 AM   #2
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You did void the listing.

Was the job permitted? Have an inspector look at it, if they pass it all is good.

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Replace the C's with T's.
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No permit pulled. Looks like we are going to have to replace them with T's. GC that hired us is trying to just make the issue go away as I pointed out to him various other way more illegal things the other contractor did.
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No permit pulled. Looks like we are going to have to replace them with T's. GC that hired us is trying to just make the issue go away as I pointed out to him various other way more illegal things the other contractor did.
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I never bad mouth another contractor, unless what they have done will endanger lives or create a serious liability.
If it's "illegal", I'd have no problem with calling that out unless it's something really silly. The codes are there for a reason, for the most part, and technically it could be considered a bit irresponsible to notice a violation and say nothing about it.
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I'm very careful with how I approach a bad job or code violation. I always assume the Home Owner or a family member was the culprit. Sometimes they won't tell you they built it.


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I have no problem pointing out code violations, regardless of who's fault it was. I simply point out the violation, the consequences and the severity of the violation.

Since we are electricians, it's usually electrical issues that I point out. And there is all kinds of crap to point out. I don't try to guess who did it, I just point it out. It can be anything from bare electrified wires in a wall, buried boxes, wiring sticking out of box with no cover and so forth. Most of the time, it's simply wiring with nuts sticking out into space in the attic.

This is usually in the site walk, estimating process. I will point stuff out and say: "Look, when the inspector sees that, it ain't going to pass" It will be this much to go around and fix these things.

If its a simple job, not a big deal. It is a big deal if it's a permitted and inspected job. Remember the golden rule: "If you touch it, you own it", or, "the last guy there gets blamed".
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If it's "illegal", I'd have no problem with calling that out unless it's something really silly. The codes are there for a reason, for the most part, and technically it could be considered a bit irresponsible to notice a violation and say nothing about it.
Eh, I'm not a snitch. I'm not going to walk around like I know everything and like every other contractor is a hack. If see a flexible p-trap I'm not saying anything. Go right ahead and be that douche if you want.

Like I said, if it endangers someone or is a true liability it's none off my business.

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I have no problem pointing out code violations, regardless of who's fault it was. I simply point out the violation, the consequences and the severity of the violation.

Since we are electricians, it's usually electrical issues that I point out. And there is all kinds of crap to point out. I don't try to guess who did it, I just point it out. It can be anything from bare electrified wires in a wall, buried boxes, wiring sticking out of box with no cover and so forth. Most of the time, it's simply wiring with nuts sticking out into space in the attic.

This is usually in the site walk, estimating process. I will point stuff out and say: "Look, when the inspector sees that, it ain't going to pass" It will be this much to go around and fix these things.

If its a simple job, not a big deal. It is a big deal if it's a permitted and inspected job. Remember the golden rule: "If you touch it, you own it", or, "the last guy there gets blamed".
So as an electrician you'll point out a minor plumbing violation?

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So we recently did a job in Boston MA at an apartment building. The owner wanted 2 cat6 per floor to the electric closet on each floor. So there was existing unused 2" emt that ran from the first floor upto the roof out to the boiler room. So what we did was on each floor cut the conduit and added and aluminum emt C-fitting. We then drilled a hole out of the back of the C-fitting and put a one way grommet in and pulled our cables out to each closet. This was the first time we have ever done anything like this. It was kind of a custom job. Anyways after we were done they had another contractor come in to do work and saw what we did and said it was illegal because once we drilled the holes it was no longer UL listed. So now the customer is trying to have us Come rerun the cables at our cost. Please any advice on this would help allot thanks.
Why does the wire need to be in a UL listed pipe? I've done exactly what you have done with low voltage wires, I couldn't do it with fire alarm or electrical but it's kosher here.
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You did void the listing.

Was the job permitted? Have an inspector look at it, if they pass it all is good.

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You did, but it's up to the AHJ to decide that. Same with drilling holes in electrical boxes, we all do it, but it's up to the AHJ to decide if it's acceptable, not some asshole contractor.
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I didn't say that I point out plumbing issues. Like I said we are electricians and what we see the most are electrical issues. I will point out blatant electrical violations or issues that are not to code that will affect a final inspection.

But since you brought it up, if I see a pipe dumping raw sewage into the street, I might be tempted to say something.
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I have no problem pointing out code violations, regardless of who's fault it was. I simply point out the violation, the consequences and the severity of the violation.

Since we are electricians, it's usually electrical issues that I point out.
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I didn't say that I point out plumbing issues. Like I said we are electricians and what we see the most are electrical issues. I will point out blatant electrical violations or issues that are not to code that will affect a final inspection.

But since you brought it up, if I see a pipe dumping raw sewage into the street, I might be tempted to say something.
I am just going by what you said. You said you had no problem pointing out violations regardless of who's fault and that it's "usually" electrical issue. I was just looking for clarification.

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