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Old 06-19-2012, 12:04 AM   #1
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Tripple 2x8 Beams On 6x6 Post


Hey guys hows it goin?

I'm building a deck. I'm going to be using tripple 2x8'' beams ontop of 6x6 posts.

I don't want to spend the money on the simpson post top hardware.

What do you guys think about attaching a 2x6 scabs on each side of the post to secure the beams? nails?screws?both?
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Old 06-19-2012, 12:10 AM   #2
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If the plans call for post caps use post caps. Don't worry about the money. More money will come

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Why not use Beam to Post connector?
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This is MY deck...I spent the $24 a piece on the footing plate connectors(6 of them), I have 15''x15'' footers dug a Minimum of 48'' deep(80 bags of 5000psi concrete) I'm tired of spending money

Money is tight...that extra 75 bucks or so is whether or not I can get my sailboat fixed


will I be ok with my scab technique? The purpose of the post/beam connectors is really just to stop the beams from twisting or moving correct? Will my method not do the same thing just as well??

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2 1/2 x 9" bolts will do, 12" down the 6x6 and cover the 2x8s.
I use double 2x8's for beams all day long and notch the 6x6, just have to drill more post holes, you not gaining that much more beam span.
you should look up the tables but i think a pair of 2x10's notched, will be as good as 3 2x8's, and less work and cost about the same

Really if you are that poor that $75.00 one way or the other matters why are you building a deck.
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This is MY deck...I spent the $24 a piece on the footing plate connectors(6 of them), I have 15''x15'' footers dug a Minimum of 48'' deep(80 bags of 5000psi concrete) I'm tired of spending money

Money is tight...that extra 75 bucks or so is whether or not I can get my sailboat fixed
Are you saying that you cheap and another few $$$ will break you?
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2 1/2 x 9" bolts will do, 12" down the 6x6 and cover the 2x8s.
I use double 2x8's for beams all day long and notch the 6x6, just have to drill more post holes, you not gaining that much more beam span.
you should look up the tables but i think a pair of 2x10's notched, will be as good as 3 2x8's, and less work and cost about the same

Really if you are that poor that $75.00 one way or the other matters why are you building a deck.
Good to know, I'll check out the double 2x10 vs the tripple 8. Where is the chart?
How much twisting/sideways force will the beams exibit? I'm assuming the 2x6 scab will be able to handle just as much force as the post/beam connector ?

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Are you saying that you cheap and another few $$$ will break you?
No, but why spend the money if I substitute something just as effective for free?

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Re: Tripple 2x8 Beams On 6x6 Post


Maybe this belongs in this other thread.............http://www.contractortalk.com/f11/i-...ver-do-119075/

Just say'n...........
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Re: Tripple 2x8 Beams On 6x6 Post


This is what happens when you scab a piece of 2x6 on the side of a post to hold a beam in place...
I don't recommend it.




Killer's got it - use doubled beams and bolt through the 2 1/2" thick notched 6x6.
Upsize your beams (2x10s or 2x12s) if you want a longer span.
Flash the tops of your beams and posts to increase your deck's life.




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This reminds me of the guy I heard today at the roofing supply house. I was picking up some stuff and the guy comes in and orders a bunch of material. The he asks if they have any smooth nails?..he does not like the ring shank because sometimes the gun does not penetrate them deep enough and he has to whack them with the hammer. Here is the best part..
Guy behind the counter says all we have is ring shank because it is Code now for any roofing to use ring shank..which it is..Old timer says.." I will get them at HD..cheaper too"..

Point I am making is...if it calls for it use it..don't re-invent the wheel..embrace the new improved wheel.
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Good to know, I'll check out the double 2x10 vs the tripple 8. Where is the chart?
How much twisting/sideways force will the beams exibit? I'm assuming the 2x6 scab will be able to handle just as much force as the post/beam connector ?


No, but why spend the money if I substitute something just as effective for free?
here read the whole thing, quit sounding cheap, other people read this stuff you may want to work for later.
http://www.awc.org/pdf/DCA6-Resident...9-onepager.pdf
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Damn Mac, you're using 4 bolts per connection?! Are you other guys doing that?
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Do the scabs. But you should find a better name for it. People would be more receptive.
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Ethan my guess is that there are two boards butted together at that point - thus two bolts on each side & the answer would then be yes
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Damn Mac, you're using 4 bolts per connection?! Are you other guys doing that?
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Ethan my guess is that there are two boards butted together at that point - thus two bolts on each side & the answer would then be yes
SLS has it, it was a beam butt joint connection.

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Whew, I'm starting to price in stainless hardware for all the coastal areas and the thought of another $26 per post made me wince. Not that it really adds that much to a $15-20k deck....
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Re: Tripple 2x8 Beams On 6x6 Post


turns out 2 2x10 are STRONGER than 3 2x8 anyway....

soooooo when u guys notch the post, do you re-seal the exposed wood with anything?

Should I apply some type of sealant to the bottom of the posts as well?

This is what I'm shooting for...

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some of the "things" some people do here are because they live in the monsoon area of the us, the pacific nw. If I had to go through all that flashing that they do I would use steel like robert from cdf
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soooooo when u guys notch the post, do you re-seal the exposed wood with anything?
Yes, End Cut treatment. Jasco Termin-8 or similar.

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If I had to go through all that flashing that they do I would use steel like robert from cdf
I drew up the plans for this deck.
I didn't spec flashing the beam tops in the plans.
Inspector didn't 'make' me do it.

I do things like that on my projects to increase the life of my structural framing.

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trip 2x8 on 6x6 posts, who's idea what going on top of deck?, drawing/enginer, simpsons look good to me.

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