Stainless Steel Joist Hangers?

dougchips

Does anyone here offer stainless steel joist hangers and bolts as an up-grade? If the answer is no, how comfortable do you feel with with galv hangers holding up with the new pt? Stainless prices seem to vary quite a bit on-line.

JamesNLA

I was actually just talking with a client today about that. Basically I said we can rebuild this in PTL and it will last a considerable amount of time longer than just painted DF. I mentioned the hangers (not the bolts) and told him about what was going on with them and before I could even finish he said just put the stainless in, I don't want any problems. Short sweet, and done right! Wish they were all like that

RobertCDF

I use the stainless as much as possible... And the best resource I have found for them is : http://www.mcfeelys.com 2x10 SS hangers for less than $5 EA! Other prices I have seen are $12 EA! and thier SS nails and SS bolts are well priced as well. You can find nails and bolts a little cheaper but the fact I can go to one place and get it all makes it a better deal for me.

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dougchips

I checked out that web-site and one other for prices. I called around to my local stores and they all push the dd galv. Looks like on-line might be the way to go, I fear looking at the shipping prices.

If anyone has some pic's of dd failure let me know, I need some to sell the up-grade.

John Hyatt

Guys straight up from me to you

The first load of 2x6 acq I got,like 4 - 5 years ago. first thing I did was take a 12'' piece of it and install every fastener I had normaly used and screw/shot it into this board this includes senco glav trim nails and stapples, the regular glav joist hanger with the same nails, same tap cons,an allum baluster screw into the acq a 1/4'' or so and two rusty sinker framing nails.

For the first few months I dunked this board into a 5 gal bucket of water and left it there over the weekend,then took it out and layed it in the sun,then did the same thing come friday. I did this until I got tired of it and left it out behind my shop in the weather.

Its stll there, Nothing has happened to any of these fasteners, the trim nails and the stapplers have discolerd but they are no means failing far as the wiggle test goes, The allum baluster looks the same as the day I put it in,,even those rusty sinker nails look the same.

No one I have ever talked to has >>first hand knowledge of acq reacting at all to any fastener<<< First hand now, that is I saw this and it happened.

The acq thing in my mind was a big scare not baised on any real in the field thing from any one actually using them.

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RobertCDF

I have pulled regular gun nails out of an ACQ framed deck (built by another contractor he hosed a few things I had to fix) And they were less than a year old and were very much coroded. Parts of the nail were missing and it was rusty ALL the way through. Some of the lags I pulled were very rusty but that was about it.

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dougchips

Robert, on the jobs that you do not use ss, do you offer less of a warranty?

eXpatRioteX

I've seen the same thing on hand drive twist shank hot dip galv nails on a 12 year old CCA PT deck. Most were almost rusted through. The worst part of the rust, was the part of the nail through the deck board into the joists. In the small space between the joist and deck board most of the nails only had 25% or less of their diameter left, and most just snapped as i removed the boards.

RobertCDF

If I dont use SS I will use vycor window tape to isolate the hanger from the wood.

As far as warraties go... I dont have a set in stone warranty. If I goofed up I need to fix it. If it is wear and tear I will take care of it for a reduced rate.

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Oregon_Rob

All stainless nails, screws, brackets, lags and teko nails on this job, Oregon coast air is far worse than aqc ever thought of being.
This only shows two of the four decks on this house, the upcharge is $3k.

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dougchips

Rob, do you figure a price for ss by the square foot? I have to rework my #'s, I am coming up with about $5.00psf.

Oregon_Rob

This is the first job we ever did with this much stainless. The customer requested big posts, beams and brackets, so we costed the entire thing out. In this case, it added about $3.75/sqft (cost).

dougchips

Thanks, I can stop scratching my head now. I used to do a lot of decks and used mostly square foot prices to determine my cost. Once I got fed up with PT and did not like Trex, I stayed clear of them for a while. Now that I feel more comfortable with some of the new decking and hidden fasteners I am back in the game. It looks like I will be using the Elk decking and railing system this year for higher end projects. When I was working on square foot prices I noticed that my prices are double what I was charging a few years ago for a pt deck. SS fasteners make up $5psf , the decking is an extra $5psf and the railing system makes up about $10psf.

John Hyatt

Nice loooking project Rob thats some clean framing. I lived in Eugune a few lifetimes ago man they had the toughest inspectors I ever worked with building up there a man had two bosses the Customer and the permit store.Just a guess is that project near Newport? I can just taste the lunch break at Mo's. John

ABLE1

Hey Deck Guys,

Been reading this thread and I am just trying to understand. There is a little 'slang' that I am missing and need a little assist.

I got 'pt' Pressure Treated.

I got 'ss' Stainless Steel.

I got 'Trex' New Decking stuff

But 'aqc' has me a bit stumped???

Also I kinda get the drift that this 'aqc' stuff is reported to be not compatible with certain fasteners because of a chemical reaction leading to long term failure???

I am just a low voltage guy on a continuing educations sabbatical.

TIA

Les

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John Hyatt

Just google it up Able, cca---acq pt wood.

In a nut shell for 70 years or so cca was the best preassure treated wood around,in all the time it was in use no one has ever layed claim to any injury by it but the green mafia just dident like the Arsenic in it when they could not prove anything thru facts they bought the media and went on tv with some playground foolishness and the cca guys just got tired of messing with them and went over to acq pt lumber.

It was a bad deal all around,acq has no track record in its present form so none of us really know how long its going to last it has high enough reason to think it will eat up the same fasteners we all used with cca but like I said its not doing that with my 2x6 test out behind the shop.

As a given solid SS is going to last a lot longer than any glav plating but whither the same glav fasteners we used with cca will not survive in acq has never been proven to me. John

ABLE1

Well gee whiz John I google all the time. I was just looking for a quick insight as to what ACQ stood for just to narrow the focus.

For those that are reading this ACQ stands for Ammoniacal or Armine Copper Quat.

And I now understand a little more than I did before, which always a good thing.

Gotta go now and Google AAAGG.

Have a great weekend all.

Les

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dougchips

Elk is going to offer a low voltage kit this year that will run inside of the post and railings. Maybe you can hit up deck installers for some business?

ABLE1

dougchips, just what are you trying to say??? You know that is just not true. I have always found deck installers to be good people, are you trying to say that my observations are something different???


Les

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dougchips

I am trying to say that one of the deck railing companies that I use is coming out with low voltage light kits. If consumers want their railing to have little lights in them, they can now have a nice system that is hidden in the rails. The deck installers might need someone who works with low-voltage to wire these for them----that is where you come in. Solicit your services to Elk decking companies.