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Old 12-30-2017, 08:44 PM   #1
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This deck is whipping me when I check the diagonal it's showing 5/8 out
When I check length and width it's showing over three inches for the life of me I can't figure out what I'm missing
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photo?

there must be more to this?
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You maybe building against something that is not square. This can throw you off. Check all of your right angles with the 3-4-5 method or multiples there of 6-8-10, 12-16-20

If that won't work take your carpenters square pick a number on the body, then pick a number on the tongue measure diagonally between these two numbers....now substitute those inch numbers for feet when you measure the deck framing. This works whenever you can't use 3-4-5 multiples for what ever reason.

If your corners are all square then the structure you are attaching to is out which will make one side longer than the other throwing your "X" off

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If you don't know how to square a deck maybe you shouldn't be building one
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Plug the measurements into a construction Master Calculator and push diagonal.

Easy peasy!!!


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Plug the measurements into a construction Master Calculator and push diagonal.

Easy peasy!!!


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I've had 2 of those things....both of them quit working even had one of those "scientific" ones...don't know what happened to it

I can still get you to planet Mars and back with a framing square
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Plug the measurements into a construction Master Calculator and push diagonal.

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I've had 2 of those things....both of them quit working even had one of those "scientific" ones...don't know what happened to it

I can still get you to planet Mars and back with a framing square
Someone should tell Elon Musk. He doesn’t need engineers and super computers he just needs a room full experienced carpenters/deck builders.
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I've had 2 of those things....both of them quit working even had one of those "scientific" ones...don't know what happened to it



I can still get you to planet Mars and back with a framing square


We had to answer the right angle formula (hypotenuse) on the contractors license test.


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After a lot of searching( 2-3 seconds) I found this ! It's called Google.

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+...hrome&ie=UTF-8
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I think the formula for pi (3.14592..) has something to do with it.

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Before I was a contractor I hired a crew to form a garage slab. Was that you?
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Sometimes if your base plate of your saw is not a true 90 in your cuts are angled then the boxyard building will want to pull out of square.

That's the easy to find out.

But the real problem is something different when the structure you are adding two is out of square.

Last month I built a portico over a front set of stairs. The existing foyer bumped out 7 ft then the stairs bumped out another 5 6 ft all built on a trapezoid. When I started squaring up my columns in my frame it kept pulling me out of square until I ultimately figured out what it was.
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This deck is whipping me when I check the diagonal it's showing 5/8 out
When I check length and width it's showing over three inches for the life of me I can't figure out what I'm missing
Sometimes you guys are a bit much to take.

O.K., so his question is hard to understand. We are not all William Shakespear, but I got enough from the OP to understand that he does know about checking the diagonal lengths both ways as he said that the deck is 5/8" out on the diagonal.
The part I am having a problem with is that he mentions the "length and width" is "showing over three inches". I simply don't know what that means. If he could explain further what he means we could then help.
After all, that is what this site is for, right? At least partially that is what it is for.

You guys really jumped in his *hit.

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Sometimes you guys are a bit much to take.

O.K., so his question is hard to understand. We are not all William Shakespear, but I got enough from the OP to understand that he does know about checking the diagonal lengths both ways as he said that the deck is 5/8" out on the diagonal.
The part I am having a problem with is that he mentions the "length and width" is "showing over three inches". I simply don't know what that means. If he could explain further what he means we could then help.
After all, that is what this site is for, right? At least partially that is what it is for.

You guys really jumped in his *hit.

Andy.

I thought he had a 3”x3” deck that’s 5/8” out of square.
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Sometimes you guys are a bit much to take.

O.K., so his question is hard to understand. We are not all William Shakespear, but I got enough from the OP to understand that he does know about checking the diagonal lengths both ways as he said that the deck is 5/8" out on the diagonal.
The part I am having a problem with is that he mentions the "length and width" is "showing over three inches". I simply don't know what that means. If he could explain further what he means we could then help.
After all, that is what this site is for, right? At least partially that is what it is for.

You guys really jumped in his *hit.

Andy.
I don't know what he's talking about either regarding the 3 inch thing. I guess many of us (including me who is fairly new) get a tad snarky when a brand new poster pops in here with a really basic question that can easily be rectified by so many other means, other than signing up here and saying you're some sort of contractor. plumber, handyman, milkman, etc

He's building a box. It ain't square. Anyone remotely in the trade OR NOT in the trade should be able to find a solution (websites, books, youtube, talk to friends, etc)

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Oh chit, Trig on the license test? I'd flunk then

I know square is 3-4-5 and I know the sum of all angles in any triangle is 180 degrees beyond that without a framing square I'm screwed, that's how I learned even Marshall Gross's book is above my pay grade
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Pythagorean for unequal side length squares (rectangles).

Square root of two for equal side length squares (1.414 times a side length).

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Square root of two for equal side length squares (1.414 times a side length).

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