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Old 07-23-2012, 10:32 PM   #1
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We have started a 1200 sq. ft. replacement deck. My schedule has been hectic for the last couple of months and I put off a few smaller jobs to get to this one.

Of course the house siding was T1-11 plywood, and the house sits on poles, with 4x12's that cantilevered out to pickup parts of the deck. Well as you can guess, no flashing anywhere. Rot everywhere on the house. What's with these builders that only carry there building paper down to the top of the deck. It will be at least a week before we can even start on the deck, while we do repairs to the house. I absolutly hate these kinds of repairs. Rim joists, plates, beams, siding, and the nearest lumber yard is over a half hour away.
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:37 PM   #2
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I feel bad sometimes when you have to tell the owners to pry open their wallets.
It is what it is.

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I'm with Mark, I hate it more just because it screws up the schedule. Screw the money, I'd rather stay on schedule.
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You got it right Rob. Even if I wasn't busy, I would still hate it though.

I also feel very bad for the homeowners. It wasn't their fault that the builder sucked (they aren't the original owners, but they said that it was a contractors house.) These repairs are not cheap.
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Builders are terrible, I wonder how they get away with that kind of crappy building all the time. I am actually expanding into the custom home market because I'm so tired of seeing such terrible work.
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Yea around here to. I would say 3 out of 5 deck replacements around here are usually rotting to the point of serious structural repair. Unfortunately that is what we specialize in, we have had to jack up many houses just to put a new decks on. Its sad but you have to take the good with the bad fix it right and move on.
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Mark,how old is that house ?

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I run in into a poor old timer of a carpenter at the yard often. Nice guy, but he's got it rough. He's probably 70 and still does carpentry work because he has to.

When I see him I always say, What do ya say boss?

His reply every single time, This work sucks slick!
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"contractor's house" - code words for slapped together to make some tax free money.
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Mark,how old is that house ?

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The house is probably 40 years old, maybe more. Here are a couple of pics before we tore the decks out. Those 4x8 joists are spanning 16' on 4' centers. The owner added the knee braces a few years ago.
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The house is probably 40 years old, maybe more. Here are a couple of pics before we tore the decks out. Those 4x8 joists are spanning 16' on 4' centers. The owner added the knee braces a few years ago.
Wow! .......Wow!

They're just fortunate they didn't overload the deck with a party. That would have been catastrophic!
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Here is a sample of what we are dealing with.

The second pic I think is someone's attempt to flash one of the beams that rotted off. The 3rd pic is what we found when we dug out a rotting block between the double 4x14's. The cantilever in the first pic supports a fireplace.

Those beams support a 2 story house.
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A little Kroil and you could reuse those bolts
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Here is a sample of what we are dealing with.

The second pic I think is someone's attempt to flash one of the beams that rotted off. The 3rd pic is what we found when we dug out a rotting block between the double 4x14's. The cantilever in the first pic supports a fireplace.

Those beams support a 2 story house.

Under a load bearing wall. Good thing you don't get much snow, or it would come down in winter. Unbelievable.
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Thanks Mark. 40 years old. Man it is a wonder anything is still in the air.

Little story. 85 after leaving Oregon framing for a local on two story condos here in OKC. They shared a garage with a wall down the middle and one pier in frount that pretty much held up the frount of the building. The creet guy just dident want to pour the pier on one of them. My Boss told me to just build a wood box, wrap it in tar paper ,dig a hole and drive it in,and land on it.

So I did.

Belive me it was a different world here, coming from the Willamette Valley where the Inspector was Boss.

They dont build them like they usta...thank god.


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So we got around to pulling one of those rotting 4x14 beams and this was the pole behind it. This is after we scraped all of the rotten wood out. It was about 3" wide and more then 1" deep. Where the chisel sticks in, there is a hole, both in the top and bottom, deep enough to bury the chisel easily. The poles are over 30' long, supporting 2 stories. All we could do was pack it with wood epoxy.

Sorry, the pics uploaded turned on their sides. The chisel is actually stuck up in the top of the pole.
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So we got around to pulling one of those rotting 4x14 beams and this was the pole behind it. This is after we scraped all of the rotten wood out. It was about 3" wide and more then 1" deep. Where the chisel sticks in, there is a hole, both in the top and bottom, deep enough to bury the chisel easily. The poles are over 30' long, supporting 2 stories. All we could do was pack it with wood epoxy.

Sorry, the pics uploaded turned on their sides. The chisel is actually stuck up in the top of the pole.
I'm trying to figure where the 30' post comes into play from your pictures......the eave of the house looks 15-18' off grade but maybe I missed it.

Is wood epoxy structural? Sounds like a good spot to call the engineer? Not your fault the post is rotten. 30' sound like a PT glulam post like they use in pole barns around here.
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I'm trying to figure where the 30' post comes into play from your pictures......the eave of the house looks 15-18' off grade but maybe I missed it.

Is wood epoxy structural? Sounds like a good spot to call the engineer? Not your fault the post is rotten. 30' sound like a PT glulam post like they use in pole barns around here.
The posts are buried in concrete, at least 12' deep.

They are definatly not glulams, possibly peeler cores. At least that's what we call them.

This is a corner pole, and literally the house would have to be disassembled to replace this pole.

There is still a lot of beef left on these poles, but we set new posts on both sides of this pole, Picking up the beams, as a backup.
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The posts are buried in concrete, at least 12' deep.

They are definatly not glulams, possibly peeler cores. At least that's what we call them.

This is a corner pole, and literally the house would have to be disassembled to replace this pole.

There is still a lot of beef left on these poles, but we set new posts on both sides of this pole, Picking up the beams, as a backup.
Being from Mn, I never even thought about 12' of post going into the ground.

Sorry, I should have said "sounds like" a new 30' glulam is in order.

What is your educated guess on what the 40 yr old post buried 12' in concrete looks like at the bottom?

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