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Old 06-20-2009, 07:30 AM   #21
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These brackets are the best for Trex or heavy gates. Takes 10 minutes to make any size gate and it is sag free. Would never use anything else.

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I found these brackets to be the best, and you can make the gates any size you want!

The only thing is the screws that come with the kit are garbage,and should be replaced with deck screws! they cost about $40 for the kit and the hinges are welded on!

takes about 15 min to make a perfect sag free gate!
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Old 06-20-2009, 12:01 PM   #22
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I might be easy but they look like a DIY'er did it AND they look like crap.

Sorry.
Show me your way, and let me see what you consider diy!

i think thats a sweet looking gate i present to my customers! it functions perfectly,looks attractive, and very sturdy, you cant see any unsightly fastners!! and for $40 i cant see doing it any better or faster!

So prove me wrong DECKS ETC. and lets see what your gates look like!
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My braces are usually like Jon's, I like to catch all 4 sides of the frame, with my braces.

I don't think that the metal braces look that bad, but it would be nicer if a way could be found to put the 2x2's within the frame.

Here are some gates without braces.
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Very nice redwood
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Old 06-20-2009, 03:43 PM   #25
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Straight up clean work Mark. I am thinking the black hidges on the first picture are decrotive only with daped in hindges swinging the door/gate.

JMO those bracket things are bush league. J.
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I don't build many gates and am no engineer, but what purpose does the second diagonal brace, running bottom hinge to top latch, serve?

This gate is three years old and hasn't sagged a bit.

Please edumacate a bush league carpenter
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Things just naturaly work better out in the country. J.
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I don't usually put the second one either, but it never hurts to overbuild. Just makes it that much stronger.
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I love to build gates when I get the chance.

These still were waiting on the latches when I made it over for a snap shot.



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Impressive!
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Im impressed as well. Nice work Mark & Gus
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Here is a fairly simple gate I built for our house. It's Halle Berry's window to the world. Sorry she was not available for the photo shoot.

The bottom and top rails are connected to the stiles by way of large "biscuits".

I set the table saw up with 1/4" dado head,8" diameter.

Clamped the part to the fence with the blade down all the way. Then cranked up the blade all the way into the part. Turned it around and did it again so I had 2 biscuits at each joint.

I made the biscuits with some 1/4" stock. Made them a bit small so they didn't screw me during assembly.

Glue and clamps. Pretty easy.

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but what purpose does the second diagonal brace, running bottom hinge to top latch, serve?
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Visual symmetry and increased stability for a 5 min. addition...

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Show me your way, and let me see what you consider diy!

i think thats a sweet looking gate i present to my customers! it functions perfectly,looks attractive, and very sturdy, you cant see any unsightly fastners!! and for $40 i cant see doing it any better or faster!

So prove me wrong DECKS ETC. and lets see what your gates look like!
Ok, here you go...

Sorry you can't see the cross bracing because the gate looks the same on both sides and the cross bracing is inside the outer cedar T&G.

And, in case you're wondering, this project had two of those gates at $3,000 each.

But, you go ahead and keep building your little gates with those brackets - they look AWESOME
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awesome work guys
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Nope...90 degrees is 90 degrees no matter square or rectangle....

90 degrees is the constant. You can still center the crossbuck by altering the angles 53/37 for example, so that the buck contacts rail and stile equally, no matter the height/width differential
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Ok, here you go...

Sorry you can't see the cross bracing because the gate looks the same on both sides and the cross bracing is inside the outer cedar T&G.

And, in case you're wondering, this project had two of those gates at $3,000 each.

But, you go ahead and keep building your little gates with those brackets - they look AWESOME
decks etc. although its a nice gate you built there for 3k. i was talking $40 brackets..LOL.
i think for stability and sturdiness, you cant go wrong with those brackets!

show me a little deck gate you built! so we can compare apples to apples

the gate i posted was a simple composite deck, the gate was thrown in as a favor ! so i think it looks and works well ,with out digging deep into my pockets!

if the customer asked me for a custom gate like yours, i would of been happy to oblige, and considered other hinge options!
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Ok, here you go...

Sorry you can't see the cross bracing because the gate looks the same on both sides and the cross bracing is inside the outer cedar T&G.

And, in case you're wondering, this project had two of those gates at $3,000 each.

But, you go ahead and keep building your little gates with those brackets - they look AWESOME
I think you guys are comparing apples to oranges. 5star is talking about a quick $300 deck gate, while you are displaying $3000 gates. There are many jobs and many budgets, and a place for both systems. G
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I think you guys are comparing apples to oranges. 5star is talking about a quick $300 deck gate, while you are displaying $3000 gates. There are many jobs and many budgets, and a place for both systems. G
Perhaps, but he asked to see a picture of a gate I built so I obliged him.

This is boiling down to a difference is personal taste. I never said that those brackets don't work, I was just taught to never use them and I persoanlly think they look terrible.

We'll have to agree to disagree 5star.

BTW, those bracket kits are only $20 here in Canada.
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I don't build many gates and am no engineer, but what purpose does the second diagonal brace, running bottom hinge to top latch, serve?

This gate is three years old and hasn't sagged a bit.

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Overkill maybe, but with the crossbuck design when weight is applied to the active side of gate, for example a child hanging/swinging on the gate, while the one brace is under tension, the other is in compression. If properly fastened, this gate is indestructable.

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