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Old 03-06-2018, 10:04 AM   #1
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can anyone tell me the reasoning behind new construction developments (non custom homes) not building decks on the house and just leaving sliding doors to nowhere over walkout basements? i'm not complaining its what keeps alot of us busy doing what we love to do but its a question i could never understand?
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Cost and liability . Money could be spent on finishing a basement with better profit margins.

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Keeps the price of a new house down. A lot of low end buyers would rather slap a thousand dollar deck up in a few weekends with their buddies than pay their builder an extra $5K at close.
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can anyone tell me the reasoning behind new construction developments (non custom homes) not building decks on the house and just leaving sliding doors to nowhere over walkout basements?


You mean out in space? Take a step out and you'll fall six feet plus?
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Keeps the price of a new house down. A lot of low end buyers would rather slap a thousand dollar deck up in a few weekends with their buddies than pay their builder an extra $5K at close.
$5K if you want a 5x5 landing from a builder.
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The reason is the fresh back fill. Keep cost down, let owner decide on the extent and give earth a chance to settle.
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You mean out in space? Take a step out and you'll fall six feet plus?


Maybe not
You would have to jump the required railing that's mounted on the outside.

It's easy money for the iron guys.
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Stairs are the minimum temporary compliance
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I started out using a railing. After 5-6 and looking at the damage done by screws into the jambs, I switched to using just a small 1x2 clear pine block screwed into the upper tracker of the slider, and putting a drop stick in in the bottom track.
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Stairs are the minimum temporary compliance
Not here, I don't think. Even high rises have doors that open to railing. But I'm talking about a properly installed rail with balusters, not a 2x4.
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Not here, I don't think. Even high rises have doors that open to railing. But I'm talking about a properly installed rail with balusters, not a 2x4.
Similar to a Juliet balcony but with no balcony
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Not here, I don't think. Even high rises have doors that open to railing. But I'm talking about a properly installed rail with balusters, not a 2x4.
I didnt mean it as a catch all. A guard, a set of stairs or interior keyed lock .......something to prevent unsafe passage. Cant have people in the middle of the night stumbling out of doors to nowhere
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$5K if you want a 5x5 landing from a builder.
I think it gets you a 10x10 from the low end builders around here. No steps though.
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Golf is much more appealing than building a 5k deck.


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Golf is much more appealing than building a 5k deck.


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It’s less than a thousand in materials and can be done by one person in a day maybe day and a half. I’ll take $3000/day profit any day. $15K/week might be peanuts in CA but it’s damn good money up here.
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It’s less than a thousand in materials and can be done by one person in a day maybe day and a half. I’ll take $3000/day profit any day. $15K/week might be peanuts in CA but it’s damn good money up here.
We have open hole, framing and final inspection on decks. Not to mention 12x42 piers. It's at least a three day affair if I can get the inspector out.
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We have open hole, framing and final inspection on decks. Not to mention 12x42 piers. It's at least a three day affair if I can get the inspector out.
It doesn’t really matter because the $5K 10x10 decks aren't being bought. Which is the point of this thread.

But I know a guy who builds decks full time (all levels of quality) and he bores the hole, drops in a 12” x 4” round block calls for inspection and continues on with the build. He temporarily supports the deck until the hole inspection is done. The temporary supports for a 10’ deck might take 20 minutes.
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I've seen some of these home owners wait years before calling for a deck to be installed. The builder decks are fence posted here....inspection?....what inspection?
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It doesn’t really matter because the $5K 10x10 decks aren't being bought. Which is the point of this thread.

But I know a guy who builds decks full time (all levels of quality) and he bores the hole, drops in a 12” x 4” round block calls for inspection and continues on with the build. He temporarily supports the deck until the hole inspection is done. The temporary supports for a 10’ deck might take 20 minutes.
If it doesn't matter then why did you make the point that you would do it in a day and a half and make a ton of money.

Open hole here, so you aren't getting away with a 12" x 4" block.
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All decks here require engineering and seismic construction. 5k ain't happening. Hell Andy eats that up in no time. Considering plans, engineering, permits, plan check. Yada, yada, yada.


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