More Curves

Bone Saw · 10-21-2009, 09:23 PM

some more

John Hyatt · 10-21-2009, 09:57 PM

NO one but You BoneMon.... If I tried that the 2x12 would split out right about the time I was real close to finish. J.

deckman22 · 10-21-2009, 10:02 PM

Do you wet those boards down to make them more bendable?

redwood · 10-21-2009, 10:35 PM

It looks like at least 2 ply's to me. Having done things like that, I know that it's more work then you would think. What type of adhesive did you use, on the ply's?

I'm a little surprised that those support beams don't miter together, was that the plan?

Bone Saw · 10-21-2009, 10:51 PM

no ply here,

deckman I do use wet/heavy pieces with relief cuts, bends like butter, cant just tork it around though or you lose true constant curve and develope distortions and flat spots, have to finness it from one cut joist end to the next maintaining 2 picks to circle center, one at the running end for leverage and one at next joist end

Bone Saw · 10-21-2009, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redwood

I'm a little surprised that those support beams don't miter together, was that the plan?

patience man

redwood · 10-21-2009, 11:04 PM

My bad on the ply's. My eye site isn't very good.

How often and how deep are your relief cuts? Somewhere I have a book that shows you the formula, but I don't know where it is.

Bone Saw · 10-21-2009, 11:19 PM

i go about half way through if i do cut, really depends on a number of things, how wet it is, knots, grain patterns, where along the ark relative to joists, workability time/sunlight, slight cupping, i've done 12' rads with zero reliefs and 16'+ with, just depends, but usually 4-6" spacing within approx 120 deg quadrant to the joists, closer as ark transitions from rim to joist, if that makes any sense

redwood · 10-21-2009, 11:23 PM

Last question Chris, I swear. Do you put any adhesive in those relief cuts?

I know that those knots can be problematic. They just don't want to bend like the rest of the material.

dkillianjr · 10-21-2009, 11:30 PM

Looking great as usual bone!

Those little makita drill/drivers sure do come in handy don't they!

Dave

Bone Saw · 10-21-2009, 11:31 PM

no, but prior to decking when framing has goten a chance to dry out, I'll roll on west system 105/205 epoxy with a foam roller along outer radius, it seeps into the wood holding form and becomming strong like resin and fiberglass cloth

curapa · 10-21-2009, 11:38 PM

Maybe I missed it, Redwood asked about the support beams earlier. Will they stay like that?

Bone Saw · 10-21-2009, 11:39 PM

i let the beam ends run long , they will get cut back

Glid · 10-22-2009, 11:28 AM

Nice! I can't wait to see the helical bent stringers!

Greg Di · 10-22-2009, 11:40 AM

Chris, how the heck did you keep those footings so neat? There is no spoil dirt from the drilling anywhere. I mean, the grass is still intact for crying out loud!

When we drill, it looks like an artillery shelling came down! LOL...

Bone Saw · 10-22-2009, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Di

Chris, how the heck did you keep those footings so neat? There is no spoil dirt from the drilling anywhere. I mean, the grass is still intact for crying out loud!

When we drill, it looks like an artillery shelling came down! LOL...

one of my biggest peeves is mud, on the boots, on the deck on tools cords etc. one rain or morning dew and tromping around and all that spoil displacement just turns the whole site and project into a big slop fest. another thing is I don't do alot of comp fascia on my projects usually stain everything before decking goes down, and since I'm relying on framing time to allow pieces to dry out, the last thing I want to do is go and wash everything down, again adding more water to the slop. my routine for drilling is drill backup shake off bit, drill backup shake off bit etc. cleanout holes with shopvac, tamp, switch out auger for bucket and cleanup spoils thouroughly and either use/dispose of elseware. gives the grass a chance to recover and keeps down the mess.

neolitic · 10-22-2009, 12:56 PM

It looks like you are just depending on
the hangers to hold the curved rim
to the joist?
Are you using screws in the hangers?
Or just regular hanger nails?
I would have expected to see TimberLoks.

Bone Saw · 10-22-2009, 10:47 PM

good eye neo, yes and no, Yes on screws, no face nail alomg perimeter, but they are 10"angles not hangers, the rim splices are on railpost layout too (outside rim) so posts will cover them

BuiltByMAC · 10-23-2009, 12:33 AM

project is lookin' good, man...

I picked up that shop vac trick from you, works great!

Mac

Bone Saw · 10-26-2009, 10:45 PM

little behind due to kitesurfing

stair form wall almost done, ran out of daylight, should have treads cut and stairs assembled tomorrow

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redwood View Profile redwood Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (1,270) Photos (0) Reviews (1) Projects (0) Toolbox (7) View All Activity Pro Trade: Carpentry Contractor Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: California Posts: 1,270	Re: More Curves It looks like at least 2 ply's to me. Having done things like that, I know that it's more work then you would think. What type of adhesive did you use, on the ply's? I'm a little surprised that those support beams don't miter together, was that the plan? __________________ Mark Los Gatos, CA www.creative-redwood-designs.com Last edited by redwood; 10-21-2009 at 10:40 PM.

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10-21-2009, 11:04 PM	#27
redwood View Profile redwood Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (1,270) Photos (0) Reviews (1) Projects (0) Toolbox (7) View All Activity Pro Trade: Carpentry Contractor Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: California Posts: 1,270	Re: More Curves My bad on the ply's. My eye site isn't very good. How often and how deep are your relief cuts? Somewhere I have a book that shows you the formula, but I don't know where it is. __________________ Mark Los Gatos, CA www.creative-redwood-designs.com

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Bone Saw View Profile Bone Saw Charitable animal Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (2,509) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Charitable animal Trade: decks Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chester Co. PA Posts: 2,509	Re: More Curves i go about half way through if i do cut, really depends on a number of things, how wet it is, knots, grain patterns, where along the ark relative to joists, workability time/sunlight, slight cupping, i've done 12' rads with zero reliefs and 16'+ with, just depends, but usually 4-6" spacing within approx 120 deg quadrant to the joists, closer as ark transitions from rim to joist, if that makes any sense __________________ Custom Decks & Carpentry LLC. Chester County Custom Decks Custom Deckbuilder Mainline Philadelphia Deck Builder Custom Decks & Carpentry on Facebook

10-21-2009, 11:23 PM	#29
redwood View Profile redwood Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (1,270) Photos (0) Reviews (1) Projects (0) Toolbox (7) View All Activity Pro Trade: Carpentry Contractor Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: California Posts: 1,270	Re: More Curves Last question Chris, I swear. Do you put any adhesive in those relief cuts? I know that those knots can be problematic. They just don't want to bend like the rest of the material. __________________ Mark Los Gatos, CA www.creative-redwood-designs.com Last edited by redwood; 10-21-2009 at 11:31 PM.

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Bone Saw View Profile Bone Saw Charitable animal Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (2,509) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Charitable animal Trade: decks Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chester Co. PA Posts: 2,509	Re: More Curves little behind due to kitesurfing stair form wall almost done, ran out of daylight, should have treads cut and stairs assembled tomorrow __________________ Custom Decks & Carpentry LLC. Chester County Custom Decks Custom Deckbuilder Mainline Philadelphia Deck Builder Custom Decks & Carpentry on Facebook Last edited by Bone Saw; 11-05-2009 at 09:42 AM.