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Old 11-21-2008, 10:04 AM   #1
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Lattice As Railing


I have a customer that is intrested in using plastic lattice as railing for their deck. I have never done anything like this before or even seen anything like this before....my posts for the railing are 8' apart (deck already framed)

For cosmetics, the lattice should be inbetween the posts.

1. how do I fasten the lattice to the posts?
2. how do I keep the lattice from doing the "way?"
3.should I install nailers inbetween the posts for strength, and how???
4. The railing is only going to be 32" off the deck floor, what about all the waste?? can I slice the lattice??
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Old 11-21-2008, 10:14 AM   #2
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Save the customer from themselves. Tell her/him it is against code and install a real railing.

I absolutely HATE Lattice. It looks crappy. It holds up terrible. It awful to maintain. It's weak.

Seriously, an 8ft x 32" lattice railing would never pass code here.

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If you are really in the biz, you will understand this, lattice is not typically used for obvious reasons. if they want it, make it happen. FRAME IT FRAMEMAN====8FT section should become 2 ---4's, paint the framing mat white so it matches the white lattice...1x4 or 1x2 FRAMES
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I agree with both of you lattice sucks, and code is not a problem in this area, 1" boards along the posts was ran by the HO, however, I was taught at a young age, that "the customers are always right" and if they want a lattice railing, by god,I'll do everything I can to make them happy - I just might tell them, that it won't pass code, they won't know any different. I just thought that there might be some other way, that I am not aware of to tackle this project.
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Not sure why bbud thinks it's against code - as long as you have no gaps larger than 4" and it will withstand a 200 lb side hit, you're fine. Ugly as hell, but well within code.

Sandwich the plastic lattice between (2) 3/4" x 4 cedar (or pt or whatever) - all four sides.

The other thing you could do is cut a channel in the 2x4s 1 1/2" deep. Make it wide enough to accept the lattice (2 saw kerfs should work).

Run 1 1/2" screws from one cedar frame through the lattice into the other. Screws should be spaced every 12" at a max. Support the middle of your 8' rail (2x4s on either side of sandwiched handrail section down to decking or framework beneath). Position sandwiched handrail section between posts and run angled screws in from framework to post.
Definitely use a continuous cap rail to stiffen entire handrail structure.

In terms of making the most out of each piece of lattice, if you ripped it down to 24", your final handrail would be 28" tall (assuming lattice sitting 1 1/2" in top and bottom rails). Sitting 3 1/2" off the deck gets you up to 31 1/2". Add in a 2x6 cap rail and you're at 33" - that's 3" below code. Make up that 3" w/ something and you can use half sheets of lattice. Probably just better to make your lattice pieces 27" x 8'. Maybe you can use the leftovers for skirting or something...

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where I'm from we see vinyl lattices used as a railing all the time
the easiest way to do this is : create a 1/2 x 1/2 dado the full length of a 2x4 (crown side up) create a frame for the lattice out of the 2x4 so you have a sliding panel. put the frames w/ lattice already in it into the 8' opening and cap with a 2x6 . the vinyl lattice is a lot stronger then the wooden kind
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I would question whether it could absorb that 200# side hit.
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I'm curious about whether or not it will hold up more than one winter. I ran a piece of it from my porch slab to the beam and it cracks near where it is screwed over and over each time I rescrew it.
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I would question whether it could absorb that 200# side hit.
My thoughts exactly.

I'm pretty sure I could kick the pieces of your lattice out of the frames very easily.

Ask yourself, could you live with yourself if a child fell through it and hurt themselves falling to the ground?
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I would question whether it could absorb that 200# side hit.
That's side pressure Not Hits. Big differents
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I would question whether it could absorb that 200# side hit.
That's side pressure Not Hits. Big difference. I agree lattice might not pass the test. but that's not your problem. if they approve your rail design, then fail it after you built it. code enforcement has caused you a hardship due to there incompetence. After all they are the keeper of the codes and get compensated handsomely for it for LIFE.
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I would question whether it could absorb that 200# side hit.
Just as a point of reference, I built a small privacy screen for someone, consisting of three 3'x8' panels of vinyl lattice framed in with grooved 2x4s as described above. The grooves were 1" deep.

Two weeks later, high winds blew two of the three panels completely out of the frame. I went over and reassembled them, then nailed the living daylights out of the edges.

A month after that, the weather got really warm. The lattice stayed put, but needless to say not pretty. Vinyl does expand.

Yes, I warned him before even starting the project. He's ok with it.
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Mac has it right, as usual.
Did lots of them like that when
it was popular in the '80s.

One of them turned out down right cool.
The lady used it to train her clematis(?)
or some kind of flowering vine thing.
Prettiest railing I ever did.
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lattice is strictly for privacy and as skirting around the deck below the ribbon, or on top of a privacy fence, by possible means would it pass around here

code states that a safety rail must be have no more than 4" spacing in between, be a minimum of 1"x 1" thick, must be 36" high from the platform up for decks less than 6' off the ground, at 6' or higher it must be 42" high

i have yet to see lattice survive 2 years of service when theirs a kid living in the house, they'll either try to climb it, kick a soccer ball against it.
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Guess I need to clarify my answer a bit...
The vinyl lattice I see in home improvement stores here isn't brittle stuff.
We don't have a freezing season here.
I did mention running the screws through the lattice, not just boxing it in w/ the channeled 2x. My preference would be to predrill so as not to strain the plastic unduly.
I don't see where lattice handrail sections built like that would be any worse than 2x2 pickets nailed to the outside of 2x4 rails. I see plenty of those - when I go to demo them, I make a game out of kicking the 2x2s off the rails. Talk about a chincy way to build a handrail...
Would I build a handrail made out of lattice like that? No.
bighammer's building what the client wants, thought I drop in my $0.02 as to a method that would be pretty stable, for the materials used.
I'd recommend this: Build one section, then try to put a foot through it. If you're successful, the handrail isn't. Try it a different way...

wwbkirk, 1"x1" thick would rule out cable rail systems, according to your local code. Sure about that thickness rule?

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The first thing you need to learn is the customer is not always right (that can get you in trouble)...you might compromise in order to get him to what is, but that is also part of the job. What I found using the vinyl is it is too flexible and susceptible to blown out panels from the wind...you won't be able to hang them in full sheets. The vinyl that I did was for my local supplier...he ordered it complete with channel that attached to the posts and the sheets slid down screwed off as MAC described and and the cap was put on....was back 3 times replacing it. I ended up breaking it into 4x4 sections and it stayed.

The second was done in PT, but don't remember exactly how I did it..was a couple of years ago. I do remember making my own batting for the edges with the thickness planer
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Lattice is ok for skirting, but not for rails.
Up here, it would be considered climbable, even with small holes, so it would not pass code. Vinyl would be useless for a rail. I'd refuse to do it.
8' centres (canadian spelling!) is way too much for lattice (again, up here even a wood rail is required to have posts every 4').
We sometimes make our own lattice out of 1x2 strips. When assembled with spacing not more than 1 1/2" it will pass code.
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The other thing you could do is cut a channel in the 2x4s 1 1/2" deep.

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if you did that you would have a pair of two by twos left on your sawhorses.
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if you did that you would have a pair of two by twos left on your sawhorses.
You're not serious, are you?

I didn't say rip a 2x4. Most railings that I've seen have the 2x4 top and bottom rails positioned vertically. Cutting a 1/4" wide 1 1/2" deep channel in the middle of the 1 1/2" side would give you a spot to slip the lattice in.

But I'm hoping you were just pokin' fun at me!

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You're not serious, are you?

I didn't say rip a 2x4. Most railings that I've seen have the 2x4 top and bottom rails positioned vertically. Cutting a 1/4" wide 1 1/2" deep channel in the middle of the 1 1/2" side would give you a spot to slip the lattice in.

But I'm hoping you were just pokin' fun at me!

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I took that as horizontally not vertically.

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