Ipe Deck Sealer - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

Jonny85 · 02-10-2009, 04:28 PM

Does anyone know of a sealer for Ipe (Brazillian walnut) decking that will not peel off every two months? I used Cabot's Australian Timber Oil, brushed on after cleaning the surface, which was recommended by my supplier. It worked great, except that it peeled off within two to six months. Is this just something I have to reseal that often or is their a better product/ technique?

Mike(VA) · 02-10-2009, 04:36 PM

Any good rosewood oil product will be fine. I've used Pennofin (sp) with good results. Won't peel if you wipe off the excess, but you do need to repeat every year.

John Hyatt · 02-10-2009, 05:13 PM

I have used TWP 100 series on the S American lumber for hmmmmm 12 years or so its the best I have found yet. TWP wont lift or peal, its a build coat finish. J.

redwood · 02-10-2009, 05:16 PM

I've used both Penofin and ATO. You can't tell the difference after application. Neither should peel off, if applied correctly. Fade away, wear off, yes, peel, no.

One of them recommends reapplying after 6 months and gradually increase the reapplication periods. Ipe is so dense that I'm not sure that anything will last very long, but it sure looks good when you apply it.

Jonny85 · 02-10-2009, 06:02 PM

Thanks for the suggestions. Six month reapplication is definetly better than two month!

ruskent · 02-10-2009, 06:24 PM

messmers uv inbibitor

Jonny85 · 02-10-2009, 07:53 PM

I guess my next question is what is the best way to get the rest of the Timber oil off before I use a new product? Power washing? Any ideas on a cleaner to brighten the Ipe back to it's true vibrant coloring? (Due to the sealer peeling it has grayed.

Mike(VA) · 02-10-2009, 08:28 PM

Power wash with no cleaners. Use maybe a 30 deg nozzle but not too close. Get a feel for spraying that won't raise the nap but when dry will look like new. You can easily tell when you are cleaning that its working. If the nap comes up a bit, it will wear off in time, usually. This will remove left over finishes that are 'peeling'.

deckman22 · 02-10-2009, 09:34 PM

Use a stripper then brightner instead of powerwasher. Apply TWP with stain pad. Quick & easy.

John Hyatt · 02-11-2009, 09:46 AM

I dont recomend a power washer unless its cut down to 250/300 lbs and has a wide fan.

Drift on over to www.woodrich-brand.com the md80 will remove most any outdoor finish followed by an oxalic acid wash or the brightner those guys sell. I use the oxalic out of a 50lb bag but sometimes it brightnes too much.

The finish they have is very close to TWP in fact they had a twp guy onboard during the make up process. Both are build coat product the idea is to keep puting coats on done corectley you can get a 3/5 year outdoor finish and never have to strip it off. J.

JTW · 02-13-2009, 11:05 AM

Yes on the Penofin, it is an accumulating product. My personal experienece says 2 coats first year, then at 18 months, then 12 months from there on. At first it is a little more work. I personally have a 800 sqft deck on lake house, I like to rinse on saturday with a mild bleach solution, then on Sunday apply a coat of Penofin. I have found if I use a "wringing"type of mop it goes down fast(1 hour to apply and back wipe, make sure you backwipe as it will get a heavy residue(buggerish) if left. This is usually what people do not do properly, then state "they were not happy with the results. I have seen alot of people leave IPE untreated(which I do not like), I think it stays cooler to walk on, as a side note! Penofin also makes products specifically for PT wood that is great for posts etc, when trying to get a complete look on a deck. I hate to sound like a commercial, but I love this stuff.

John Hyatt · 02-13-2009, 09:48 PM

J.

deckman22 · 02-14-2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JTW

Yes on the Penofin, it is an accumulating product. My personal experienece says 2 coats first year, then at 18 months, then 12 months from there on. At first it is a little more work. I personally have a 800 sqft deck on lake house, I like to rinse on saturday with a mild bleach solution, then on Sunday apply a coat of Penofin. I have found if I use a "wringing"type of mop it goes down fast(1 hour to apply and back wipe, make sure you backwipe as it will get a heavy residue(buggerish) if left. This is usually what people do not do properly, then state "they were not happy with the results. I have seen alot of people leave IPE untreated(which I do not like), I think it stays cooler to walk on, as a side note! Penofin also makes products specifically for PT wood that is great for posts etc, when trying to get a complete look on a deck. I hate to sound like a commercial, but I love this stuff.

You should learn a little about wood, bleach breaks done the wood's cells, don't use bleach on wood.

jaros bros. · 02-14-2009, 09:37 AM

Ipe is such a tight grained wood. Penofin works great but you have to have a couple of good days to do it on and it can't be too hot or cold. A light sanding before reapplication will bring it back to a new appearance as well. And like everyone else said, wipe after it sits for about 15 minutes. Good product...I like the smell of it. I think it is rosewood oil and some petro additives but I could be wrong.

JTW · 02-16-2009, 09:22 AM

Yes it is rosewood oil and high level of UV inhibitors. As a side note, the vertical surfaces also seem to last longer between needing coats than flats(yes this is logical).

JOhn/Deckman, thanks for the heads up I did not know this about the bleach. I guess I gigured with a coats of penofin a penetrating oil applied, that the solution would almost not touch any wood surfaces, but we learn something new everyday(also as I said I do/did use a mild solution). I found it was only necesarry when the tannins seemed to be built up on the surface. I assume the penefin wood cleaner wood be the recommended prduct for cleaning the tannins off prior to recoating the penofin?

John Hyatt · 02-16-2009, 05:52 PM

Penofin as well as its sister superdeck are both ice age outdoor finish product. J.

JTW · 02-17-2009, 08:45 AM

Ice age outdoor finish product??? Meaning old technology or something?? John can you help me read between the lines on that? f you are saying they are no longer top notch, what are you using these days? Thanks

John Hyatt · 02-17-2009, 09:44 AM

TWP 100 series, resin base,no wipping off excess,build coat finish, never a need to strip. J.

JTW · 02-17-2009, 04:47 PM

John, If I were to switch overto TWP 100, what if anything would need to be done with the current Mahogany that has Penofin on it?

John Hyatt · 02-17-2009, 07:30 PM

Strip off the penofin,acid wash, two coats twp they call it wet on wet, hmmmm I love the way that sounds reminds me of West Texas and prom night, anyway twp is a build coat finish its made to melt into itself and stick to the wood.

Dont bother telling me what the twp folks say there is a twp corp 20 mi from Butler Manor they dont think its possible to do what I have been doing for the last 10 years + in fact they came out and looked at my masenranduba deck that was 4 years from its last finish with 3 coats on it and looked brand new and later said they dont recomend. The outfit does not know what they have and are too top heavey to learn.

Side note>>> that deck out back of Butler Manor has 2'' copper in the rail system coated with twp as well I built that thing right after 9 11 even as we speak not a trace of green <<< J.