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TDG

If you want more insurance I respect your right to choose and spend your money anywhere you want.. Please don't judge my intelligences by how much liability I carry.
I once had to defend myself in an lawsuit of which I disclosed I didn't cary Malpractice Insurance. The case was dropped as fast as you could say NO LARGE REWARD!

Hitler was a Vegetarian

boman47k

I should have added sales taxes to the list.

RobertCDF

I think there are 2 different code things in peoples minds in this thread.
1. The brackets required for rail post attachment.
2. The brackets soon to be required attached to the HOUSE joist and through the house rim and the ledger and then to the deck joist with a threaded rod.

Hardware and the costs are irrelevant since everyone will have thew same requirements. However attaching that piece of hardware to the house joists can be quite challenging. Worst situation I can think of would be a finished basement and a stucco home (90% of my projects). Still going to cut a hole in the rim and use a right angle drill and impact but its going to suck

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curapa

What happens when they do not drop the case? Like I said **** can and will happen. You will be out of business. If you are an LLC you still better hope that you kept your business bank accounts squeaky clean or they can still take your personal assets.

Liability insurance is contracting 101.

Who wants to hire someone not insured anyways? Do you mention that in your sales proposal? I would imagine not if you were being sued until they found out.

Did the people that were suing you deserve the "LARGE REWARD"?

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curapa

TDG, I didn't read the PM but with the title "assuming", I can guess the just of it.

The fact is, your posting history does not represent you in the best way. You are a deck builder that crowns their boards WRONG, does not know the fastest and most accurate personal method for spacing their deck boards and you admit to carrying little to no insurance.

I can assume what ever I like and I imagine I am not the only one assuming it.

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Girlscanbld2

I'm with you Carapa...!

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stp57

Hitler was a Vegetarian

That explains alot. If I couldn't have a burger I might kill millions of people too.
Steve

John Hyatt

Dont feed the troll. J.

stp57

Oh, is Jim (Paintr56) on this thread?
Steve

TDG

YES and I can defend myself when I'm being attacked in public by anybody, even you curapa. I tried to keep it private. Just who do you think you are? Do you really think we all out here on contractors talk believe you when you say you never read my private message I sent you. What are you trying to pull off here. We all know you read it.

I can't figure out why you are bothered so by how I straighten my framing surface by cutting and crowning my wood joist??
And Why I use the system of spacing by wedging the drainage spaces between the deck boards. It is by far the fastest easiest most visually accurate method I have ever used. Try it curapa it can save time and make it look better.
Maybe you didn't know, to be contracting in most states today it is required by law for state registered contractors to carry a mim. amount of liability insurance.
I meet all state requirement and if I chose not to over insure my company and belong to the lawyers club once again you should respect my freedom and god given right to exercise choice.
Curapa most of us here in NJ are having a hard time doing business the way things are today. So I rather not waste time trying to "out ego" my fellow deck builders. Lets all try to all get along. KUMBAYA

LIVE WITH INTENTION, PLAY WITH ABANDON, CHOOSE WITH NO REGRET

hughjazz

I just read this thread and have a question.

If I understand what I am reading, You are required to drill through the ledger+Rimboard then into the house Joists? Like straight into the grain at the ends? Then run a humongous bolt(s) out to the deck into that fancy Joist hanger?
Is that accurate?
Is that in all situations?
How are you deck builders supposed to handle a house with I joists?




Seems like overkill. But I am interested to know the proper way.

RobertCDF

Take a look at this link... I am not sure how they really expect this happen http://www.finehomebuilding.com/item...-pay-attention

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BuiltByMAC

hugh jazz, not exactly. Two right angle metal connectors attached w/ a threaded rod - one connector into the side of the house joist, one connector into the side of the deck joist.

This is how I do it to prevent opening up the ceiling or floor inside.





Mac

RobertCDF

Mac, that is my plan as well but they also call out 6" O.C. nails through the floor sheathing. One of the comments posted recommended structural screws with a35's (personally I would use L or LS brackets)

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katoman

Here's another way. In Ontario, there is a seperate, extensive code for decks.

Posts are bolted to the joists, not the ribbon. Two bolts. Load is then exerted on the joists, not the ribbon, which can pull away.

When the joists run parralel with the ribbon, two solid blocks are installed, then the post is mounted between them, and bolted.

It is code to use garvanized or stainles. Normal threaded rod, or bolts, will soon rust out.

Posts must withstand a 300 lb. horizontal force exerted on them.

redwood

In our case, the threaded rod either passes through the joists, as shown, or throught the beams, if the joists are perpendicular to the rim.

We use hot dipped galv. threaded rod.

These posts feel like they are set in concrete, and the rim joist cannot fall off.

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hughjazz

1 more question, What is the plate nailed to on the deck side in the second pic?

a 4x4? Why not a joist?

I should peek in here more often, Lot's to learn.