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TDG

How can us deck builders get around these HDT brackets that Simpson lobbied for and had accepted.
Love all you guys help!!

John Hyatt

J.

IHI

Oh yeah, these new codes being enforced will make building decks this yr a treat....rotten, stupid, #$@@ suckin son's a @#@$@ anyways.

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72chevy4x4

I'm not following guys, can you simplify this for me?

John Hyatt

J.

redwood

Threaded rod is cheaper.

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TDG

Nice work redwood. I like the threaded rod.
The costs goes up I bet if that rod penetrates the outer framing and fastens to a HDT plate that you have to fasten to the existing interior framing.
How do you fasten that apparatus to all that without it costing a bundle $$$???
ANYONE PLEASE

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BuiltByMAC

What exactly is an HDT plate?
And, you fasten the Simpson hardware by the specs given for that particular piece of hardware. Simpson has the nailing/screwing schedule for all their hardware on their website.

If the hardware is required, you build w/ it. Maybe it costs a bundle, maybe you build that in to your bid.

I have some pics in my threads of various Simpson hardware attachments. What hardware are you talking about?

Mac

TDG

please send photos. simpson hasn't even updated there site to include these hdt plates
I have an idea what they have to look like
. my supplier is sending me one, but just like always us contractors know more about it than the inspectors and even the engineers involved. this time next year we'll all know at the expense of some contractior or home owner.

BuiltByMAC

Mike, do a search on strongtie.com for "DTT"

I believe that's what you're thinking of.

Mac

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boman47k

So deck builders have new reg's too? Landscapers will be next. Someone jus
t has to figure some half=a** excuse to add to the cost and generate more money. These new reg's are staring to sound like some kind of stimulus plan. People are being stimulated to buy more mat's, pay more labor, more certifications, etc..

I can't help but feel Al Capone and others could have, and may have, taken lessons from the gov.

pappagor

what i have been doing is to remove the deck ledger from the house then cut rim out were ever i need to put anchors then fill sill back in but call for inspection first
the talk is the all new homes that have ledgers on will have to have them put on before final inspection.
wait to we have to tie outer rim to floor joist of the house that will be here next

BuiltByMAC

If everyone who tried to build a deck, built it correctly, we'd have no need of regs. Add'l regs come from add'l lawsuits.
People keep fallin' down off of high places and suing the owners.

Mac

Inner10

Mac I agree with this statement except when you consider the price of those little pieces of bent metal. They are so grotesquely overpriced that I feel someone must have a hidden adgenda and pockets are being lined.....where's my tinfoil hat?

TDG

Only if the owner has enough money or insurance to make it worth the lawyers effort.
That's why I carry only the min. amount of insurance and only if it is required.
It helps keep the lawsuits down.
But I am a betting woman and I think Decks will still fall even if this reg. is made law everywhere. Just keep reading the news. Decks fall because people are stupid or forgetful, not because they don't have HDT brackets. No reg. will ever change that!

BuiltByMAC

That is where you and I differ. You will actually state, publicly, that you carry only the min. amount of insurance (or none at all) to help "keep the lawsuits down."
I build them strong. That keeps the f-ing lawsuits down. Has nothing to do w/ how much insurance I have...

If you can come up w/ a comparable method of meeting the guardrail requirements that doesn't involve hardware fasteners by Simpson, build it that way. I doubt gov't regs are written w/ brand names in them, merely load requirements.


Mac

(still waitin' for you to explain what an 'HDT' bracket is and where it's required by law)

curapa

Decks fall because they are not built correctly. Ledgers merely nailed into the ban being high on the list of mistakes.

If you were a smart girl you would carry more insurance. No matter what kind work you pride yourself on, you can always expect that **** can and will happen.

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JumboJack

I thin she means a HD2A Babalouie....

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in texas with framing and cornish people will do it for 3.00 a foot. What do yall think about that? Just laber

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Mac

(still waitin' for you to explain what an 'HDT' bracket is and where it's required by law)

Please explain WTH is a HDT bracket?HD2AHDDG

Edit:
They don't meet the deck lateral load requirements. That's why they engineered the DTT2Z.

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